Last year I made the decision to trust
my life on the street to Second Chance body
armor. I got the level IIa because it stops
the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate
for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape "solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go
to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18" bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and "catch the rounds" while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.

It's okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I'm not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America's largest indoor retail shopping areas. Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.

Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We "RTFers", by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.

Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We're cops, we just don't get the glory.

I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however, when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the "Deadly Duo" of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357 bbl.

I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg/Smith armament with the following:

3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we
lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts

So you are unarmed and feel the threat of long range sniper fire???? What is the idea of bean bag rounds with the 500??? If you have a shotgun you darn well better have slugs/buckshot. I doubt the management will go along with your purchases. Get at least your core group authorized to carry sidearms and have basic rifle/shotgun equipement in your "golf carts" Secure cabinets should be easy to mount. Body armor "at least the stuff I have worn/seen is NOT made to be hit by multiple rifle rds." It is to allow you to make it to hard cover. IMO..
When I started working security "many yrs ago" they gave me a model 10 with 158LRN. I didn't even take it from the office. I told them I would carry a sidearm that I KNEW I could hit a bg with and it would stop him. "Talk about how LRN will go through the BG and hurt/kill a shopper 20yds behind them.
JUst off top of head in a mall I would suggest bolt action rifles with fragile ammo. Prefer scoped. Too darn much hard stuff for rds to bounce off for autos. "training will help more" When I feel the need to have a vest I KNOW I need a few guns. I just can't understand your situation. I must be missing something.

If it is I need to make a mental note to not shop there anymore.

-Brian

Scott

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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.

My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!

I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.

My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!

You are a fruitcake.

quote:

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Originally posted by Gecko_45:
We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup.

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400 rounds EVERY NIGHT? MAN. That is one overpaid mall cop.

400 rounds/night * 7 nights = 2800 rds/week
2800 rds/wk * 4 weeks = 11,200 rds/month
11,200 rds/mo * 12 months = 134,400 rds/year
134,400 rds / 50 rds/box = 2688 boxes
2688 boxes * $11 per box = $29,568 for a year's worth of ammo.

I wish I had an extra 30 large a year to shoot away.
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G21c. Enough Said.
Big Dawg #315.
NRA Member: Thanks Chuck@Plano!

Don't let "Kilgor" get you down. He's probably just jealous that he's not part of your circle-joikin "tac team".

In reality, you are living the dream life of a GlockTalker... fake security job, some type of uniform which probably includes epaulets, and plenty of near-lethal weapons at the ready if the local coppers give you the "O.K."

Scott

Ninja Security Officer,

What are those boots called that you climb walls with??

Scott

Here is a link, Bob:
http://glocktalk.com/docs/gtubb/Forum13/HTML/009262.html

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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

Hope I never go to your mall. Sounds like you wanna bust out WWIII in the petite ladies section.

Lvl IIa body armor won't even stop one .308 round. In light of that, I recommend that you upgrade:

Also, for those unruly shoppers:

And you should upgrade your personal vehicle for maximum protection to and from work:

Regards, Jim Brown

Scott

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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

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Any armor plating on the vehicle?

Do you rotate vehicles everyday?

Do your ninja boots leave footprints on the ceiling?

Do you have a 12' stone wall & 30' moat around your entire house?

Do you have armed sercurity towers at home?

Is your favorite TV show "Walker, Texas Ranger"?

When the voices in your head can come to an agreement, please answer these questions.

It was a simple question: "What are those wall-climbing ninja boots called?" Think about it as long as you need to......

Scott

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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

I too want a piar of ninja boot. Size 13EEE please.

hoss

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Scott
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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

Scott
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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

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You might want to drop the .300 WinMag hand cannon in favor of the Glock 37 in .700 CrazyBastardMagnumButtStomper (CBMBS) that I posted about earlier in "Caliber Corner." Cor-Bon's +P+P+P+P+P+ load will destroy an entire building full of ballistic gelatin blocks. All this assuming, of coruse, you could handle firing Tamara's 10mm G29 without it smacking you in the head and becoming your new "Daddy," if you know what I mean.

Ha ha... duct tape will fix an awful lot of problems, too, so don't scoff at it. Especially if you tape someone's hands to the back of their head so they can't type. But then how would you stop a riot of 14-year-old-girls making a crazed run on the new Brittney Spears CD at the record store?

This is a great topic.

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CastleBravo
Big Dawg #413

p.s. I think the Ninja boots he's referring to are those worn by the late Chris Farley in the movie "Beverly Hills Ninja." SSSSssstyin'!!!

Daily rounds fired divided by apparent IQ:

400/25=16

Mr. Super Security Guard must be approx 16 years old......

Scott

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I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.....

Where ya been?

 

Where ya been?