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Saturday Apr 19

Bed Found In Polygamist Ranch Temple

Hundreds of children who were taken from a polygamist ranch by Texas child welfare authorities will remain in state custody, a judge ruled Friday night.

Religious scholar John Walsh also addressed a particularly damning piece of evidence: At least one bed found inside a temple that was allegedly used to consummate such marriages immediately after the ceremony.

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Get wed and jump right in bed.
What no reception? No goodies.
Cut to the quick instead of cutting the cake first.
Really, what does that "bed" in the temple represent? The couple are married, right?
Cult is part of culture.
Under the mask of "Religion", the dirty old men control the minds and bodies.
It's not new. Ask the Pope.
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What they had beds in the church? see they are not all bad!!!
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Berkshire Bob wrote:
Get wed and jump right in bed.
What no reception? No goodies.
Cut to the quick instead of cutting the cake first.
Really, what does that "bed" in the temple represent? The couple are married, right?
Cult is part of culture.
Under the mask of "Religion", the dirty old men control the minds and bodies.
It's not new. Ask the Pope.
WOW just like our congressmen, and senators do!!
or the ceo's of most big companies!!!
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I do wish that The Congress would take marriage and divorce out of the civil law and put it back in the hands of the American churches. We all know that if there is a way of screwing something up, Washington will surely find it. Right now, I don't see any ethics gushing out of our politics. After all, marriage is a ceremony of holy matrimony and has no place in our civil court. Let's see how the gays like that idea.

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thats pretty gross..thats something like,id expect to see in vegas or something-not a religious compound. YUCK.
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I do wish that The Congress would take marriage and divorce out of the civil law and put it back in the hands of the American churches. We all know that if there is a way of screwing something up, Washington will surely find it. Right now, I don't see any ethics gushing out of our politics. After all, marriage is a ceremony of holy matrimony and has no place in our civil court. Let's see how the gays like that idea.
Sure, let's put marriage in the hands of polygamists, cults, felon evangelists, pedophile priests, and witches.

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estauto14 wrote:
I do wish that The Congress would take marriage and divorce out of the civil law and put it back in the hands of the American churches. We all know that if there is a way of screwing something up, Washington will surely find it. Right now, I don't see any ethics gushing out of our politics. After all, marriage is a ceremony of holy matrimony and has no place in our civil court. Let's see how the gays like that idea.
I'm homosexual and fully support your notion of giving marriage back to the religions. It really has no buisness in government and the special rights given to married people is contrary to what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the "Bill of Rights" and "United States Constitution."

One caveat, however. I doubt very seriously "marriage" will fare any better as a strictly "religious" entity. I know a good many heteros who were married in the church of their choice in front of the g-d of their choice and really bungled it up. So....
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I had always believed that the church was a place for fellowship, worship and faith.

Now it appears that some (albeit a few) people have decided to use religon has a crutch and an excuse to do whatever and manipulate whoever they want.

Religon has become an excuse to justify anything. People have become so devoid of common sense and logic that now they can be coerced into
accept anyone and anything has religon.

I think the compound should be demolished and assets seized to provide for the children's welfare.
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They have lied about everything so far and you people are going to take them at their word. Several churches have beds and cribs in them for children who tire easily from long services. Some of the services go on for hours. It gives the mother and a child a place to rest.
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The mainstream christians place their book upon you and say, "This is why we challenge them, to us it is written that they are in err."

The believers of this sect place their book before us and explain, "This is why we challenge their actions, to us it is written that they are in err."

Weighing one spiritual belief against another. And at a time we send thousands of American soldiers to protect and die for a culture that commonly pairs young children into arranged marriages at pre-puberty. At some point we should begin the question and answer period, perhaps bettter sooner than later.

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I find it frightening that anyone would, through action, thought, or words, condone the marriage of children under the age of 18 to persons three or four times their age. And then to hide it in the guise of a religious ceremony, so very sad and disturbing. Those who want to be with children in a sexual way are called pedophiles, and it is a crime. The morman religion clearly does not allow this kind of behavior, as they outlawed it in the late 1800s. So what makes the FLDS think they are the exception to the rules and laws of their own founding religion? Simple one person(the leader) chose to interpret the words of their god to suit their own ends. This is the problem with any organized religion. There will always be one or two people that just don't agree with what the leader says god is telling them. So they create a new church based on what they think to be the true words of god. Can you say fanatic religious clut!
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In some societies, there are beds in buses. Make something of that.

Beds in churches go back hundreds of years, as they do in many institutional buildings.

Without forensic testing, the use of a bed in a tabernacle is merely speculative, and some of these posts, barring any sort of evidence, one way or the other, give an accurate reflection of the mind set of the posters.... all to willing to make judgments based on a headline without regard for any actual evidence. I'm sure glad I don't have to sit on a jury with such people.
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I think it so the young girls can't get a chance to escape before they are attacked after the ceremony.
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I find it frightening that anyone would, through action, thought, or words, condone the marriage of children under the age of 18 to persons three or four times their age. And then to hide it in the guise of a religious ceremony, so very sad and disturbing. Those who want to be with children in a sexual way are called pedophiles, and it is a crime. The morman religion clearly does not allow this kind of behavior, as they outlawed it in the late 1800s. So what makes the FLDS think they are the exception to the rules and laws of their own founding religion? Simple one person(the leader) chose to interpret the words of their god to suit their own ends. This is the problem with any organized religion. There will always be one or two people that just don't agree with what the leader says god is telling them. So they create a new church based on what they think to be the true words of god. Can you say fanatic religious clut!
Durn them cluts! Fie on 'em.

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<quoted text>Durn them cluts! Fie on 'em.
It's funny the only thing you have to say in response to what I wrote was to point out a typo. Next.....

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Bama Yankee wrote:
In some societies, there are beds in buses. Make something of that.
Beds in churches go back hundreds of years, as they do in many institutional buildings.
Without forensic testing, the use of a bed in a tabernacle is merely speculative, and some of these posts, barring any sort of evidence, one way or the other, give an accurate reflection of the mind set of the posters.... all to willing to make judgments based on a headline without regard for any actual evidence. I'm sure glad I don't have to sit on a jury with such people.
What purpose do you suppose the bed for? Resting during services? There are beds on trains and buses and motor coaches oh my... but they arent used to screw little kids and if they are it is a disgusting sick perversion.. NO I dont have proof that they screwed little girls in that bed but who gives a damn they are screwing little kids in that damn compound. Little teen girls pregnant by 50 year old men. What a sick F***ing society we live in to hear people defend people like this and whine about their rights to a fair trail and their rights.. What about these little girls right to a decent life. I dont care if they have wacky beliefs according to some people, but I do care when kids are being harmed in this manner and shame on you for defending any "rights" these bastards have that have hurt these girls
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I think it so the young girls can't get a chance to escape before they are attacked after the ceremony.
After seeing the guided tour by one of the mothers, I wondered just where all the sexual activity takes place. All the bedrooms she showed had several beds at least in them, like army barracks. Are there any private rooms or do they just do it anywhere with little eyes watching?
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Perhaps in this case that didn't matter? Children just seem to be a means to an end.

One wife per bed, 7 beds, One husband, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc...

I never understood the Mormon faith, however now I believe it to be more respectable/reputable than this "offshoot" or corruption thereof.

Based on the information provided I'm slowly starting to believe that this is not a religon but more of a cult/club. A cult of sick pedophiles who couldn't hack it in normal society so they all banded together and built a compound under the guise of a church so they could get non-profit tax exemption status as well has federal grants and practice their perversion in relative security under the auspices of "sacred ground"
and freedom of religon.
What a crock o' crap.

I wonder if that tour is posted on the web somewhere? I would be interested to see ti as well.
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After seeing the guided tour by one of the mothers, I wondered just where all the sexual activity takes place. All the bedrooms she showed had several beds at least in them, like army barracks. Are there any private rooms or do they just do it anywhere with little eyes watching?
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Perhaps in this case that didn't matter? Children just seem to be a means to an end.
One wife per bed, 7 beds, One husband, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc...
I never understood the Mormon faith, however now I believe it to be more respectable/reputable than this "offshoot" or corruption thereof.
Based on the information provided I'm slowly starting to believe that this is not a religon but more of a cult/club. A cult of sick pedophiles who couldn't hack it in normal society so they all banded together and built a compound under the guise of a church so they could get non-profit tax exemption status as well has federal grants and practice their perversion in relative security under the auspices of "sacred ground"
and freedom of religon.
What a crock o' crap.
I wonder if that tour is posted on the web somewhere? I would be interested to see ti as well.
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You could try CNN as I think it was on Larry King Live. Nancy Grace also covered this on her program. If you can't find it at these places, try Googling for video.

It was very interesting. One bedroom she showed had several twin beds in each along with a set of bunkbeds. There were a couple of little kids chairs and everything looked clean and neat. She showed the dining room where they ate and a living room. She pointed out that they had a piano.
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Found it thanks
I also watched Larry King interview the women.
Maybe it's me but all the women's responses sounded, I don't know....rehearsed liked they had been coached. Anybody else think so?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/16/polygamis...
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