Hamas offers truce in return for 1967 borders

they arn't in a place to make bargains.

Hamas has no authority to make any such lasting commitment like this. Iran dictates what Hamas does or does not do with Israel and since the Pres is all over the airwaves claiming that Israel will be gone from the map soon even if Iran gave the go ahead to Hamas neither would keep any 10 year commitment other than to lull the world to sleep again with their phony intentions.

Obviously, Carter who is the US left wing liberal anti-Jewish and pro radical islam hateful politician 'sold the Jews' state future for nothing in return.
Hamas Islamic terrorists leader who is the Iranian regime ‘head of the snake’ representative offered delusional 'truce' and demands the control of Greater Jerusalem and the West Bank including the Jordan River crossing that will allow the Iranian revolutionary Guards create Iranian regime base in Jerusalem.
The West Bank will be flooded with five million Islamic terrorist refugees from Iran, Syria and Lebanon that will outnumber the Jews.
More than 500,000 Jews that live in Greater Jerusalem and the biblical West bank Jewish cities will be uprooted and expelled as refugees and their synagogues and cemeteries burned.
The Jewish state will diminish to a tiny Jewish Ghetto of 6 miles width that will be defenseless and subjected to missile attacks by Islamic terrorists on a daily basis.
No aircraft will be able to land or take off in the Jewish Ghetto without being subjected to threat from missiles from the West Bank.
The Jewish state will be outnumbered by Islamic terrorists and will be converted to Islamic state on the ruins of the Jewish state.
It is for just a truce that will never be respected when the Iranian regime military will control Jerusalem.
It is clearly a recipe for the destruction of Israel as the Jewish State and converting it to Iranian ruled Islamic state.

Hamas is just a mouth piece for Iran. They are in no position to make such bargains and who besides the ignorant Jimmy Carter would take their words at face value. Hamas' use of passive weasal words like "may" are enough to show they are deceitful and dishonest. Telling the blind man Jimmy what they think he wants to hear not what Hamas' true intentions are.

pythias07 wrote:

Hamas has no authority to make any such lasting commitment like this. Iran dictates what Hamas does or does not do with Israel and since the Pres is all over the airwaves claiming that Israel will be gone from the map soon even if Iran gave the go ahead to Hamas neither would keep any 10 year commitment other than to lull the world to sleep again with their phony intentions.

If Iran is going to blow Israel off the map I think it is downright mentally deficient of the global public to believe that Israels previous expansion beyonds its legally agreed to borders will prevent Iran from carrying out its threats.

The same goes for the incessant war, it will not prevent Arabs hating them and will not prevent Iran from destroying Israels cities.

It won't even delay it for a while.

In fact, just how much of all this bs came on the scene after Israel expanded?

If Iran and friends are going to do it they are going to do it and no amount of expansion on Israels part and no matter how many Palestinians they kill can assist in it not happening.

Just the opposite, it only brings that day closer and closer which proves that there will be no peace, ever.

All we have in the future is all out war and it will be US soldiers holding the front line against Iran.

For that matter, how much hardware and soldiers has Israel contributed to the war on terror?

Anyone talking to Russia/US/Iran/Hamas/Hezbullah /Israel/Palestinians/et al, are beating a dead horse in the hopes that it will get up and work, the world knows this, it witnesses it every day, the world is sooner or later going to get sick of it all and just quit to let these people fight it out and get it over with. But the US won't quit, even if they have to engage a military draft to fight Iran on behalf of Israel.

With 30 years of bragging about how Israel is the most powerful mid east nation and how it has the baddestass military in the mid east and the 4th most powerful military in the world strangely does it no good in any way to solves its problems.

Jones wrote:

Obviously, Carter who is the US left wing liberal anti-Jewish and pro radical islam hateful politician 'sold the Jews' state future for nothing in return.
Hamas Islamic terrorists leader who is the Iranian regime ‘head of the snake’ representative offered delusional 'truce' and demands the control of Greater Jerusalem and the West Bank including the Jordan River crossing that will allow the Iranian revolutionary Guards create Iranian regime base in Jerusalem.
The West Bank will be flooded with five million Islamic terrorist refugees from Iran, Syria and Lebanon that will outnumber the Jews.
More than 500,000 Jews that live in Greater Jerusalem and the biblical West bank Jewish cities will be uprooted and expelled as refugees and their synagogues and cemeteries burned.
The Jewish state will diminish to a tiny Jewish Ghetto of 6 miles width that will be defenseless and subjected to missile attacks by Islamic terrorists on a daily basis.
No aircraft will be able to land or take off in the Jewish Ghetto without being subjected to threat from missiles from the West Bank.
The Jewish state will be outnumbered by Islamic terrorists and will be converted to Islamic state on the ruins of the Jewish state.
It is for just a truce that will never be respected when the Iranian regime military will control Jerusalem.
It is clearly a recipe for the destruction of Israel as the Jewish State and converting it to Iranian ruled Islamic state.

uh, jones ...
i don't think israel is entertaining the offer...

Israel was made a state and the borders were drawn by the UN. The territories that the Palestinians want are those that Israel acquired by defeat of Egypt and Syria. Unde the rules of war they had no mandate to return any of the ground taken. Carters meddling early on started this land for peace scam and the games began. They continue today...all smoke and mirrors run by the satrap in Iran. For all the hot air the world and the US need to know that in the very near future Israel will be at war and its partner the US will be right there with them. Iran will settle for no less than full confligration where Israel is concerned. End of story!!!!!

They are not to be believed. They have broken their word time and time again.

What is the History and Migration into Isarael? Isn't Israel considered the lost ten tribes?

Israel means God prevails......

Ain't gonna happen.

RealWoman wrote:

They are not to be believed. They have broken their word time and time again.

Please be kind enough to offer irrefutable evidence of your claim.

Lipush wrote:

they arn't in a place to make bargains.

Whats the matter with you people?

They offer a truce and you spurn it.

What place do they have to be before a truce is acceptable?

Banging on the gates of Jerusalem perhaps?

pythias07 wrote:

Israel was made a state and the borders were drawn by the UN. The territories that the Palestinians want are those that Israel acquired by defeat of Egypt and Syria. Unde the rules of war they had no mandate to return any of the ground taken. Carters meddling early on started this land for peace scam and the games began. They continue today...all smoke and mirrors run by the satrap in Iran. For all the hot air the world and the US need to know that in the very near future Israel will be at war and its partner the US will be right there with them. Iran will settle for no less than full confligration where Israel is concerned. End of story!!!!!

Rules of war? What may that be. a traceable reference please.
Ive checked the Geneva Conventio and it says nothing of keeping land captured in war.

Carter succeeded in a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. An historical achievement. Bush got nothing to show for his eight years.

Lets talk about invading Iran after we finish chewing Iraq.

Blow every muslum into pieces!!! they are all animals....

Lipush wrote:

they arn't in a place to make bargains.

That's why they want to, isn't it?

It seems to me a standard terrorist tactic is to make a truce when you are being beat, then break it after you regain your strength plus some.

That's what Al-Sadr is trying to do, now. Laying low, building up his army and waiting for America to leave.

Article says:

"The leader of Hamas said Monday that his Palestinian militant group would offer Israel a 10-year "hudna," or truce, as implicit proof of recognition of Israel if it withdrew from all lands it seized in the 1967 Middle East War."

""Hudna" implies a recognition of the other party's existence."

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This is typical terrorist double-talk. If Hamas were being honest, they wouldn't be "implying".

If Hamas were serious, the above paragraph would read:

"The leader of Hamas said Monday that his Palestinian militant group has offered to sign an international treaty recognizing Israel's right to exist, if Israel will agree to the treaty including the withdrawal from all lands it seized in the 1967 Middle East War. As implicit proof of it's sincerity, Hamas has offered an immediate truce."

A reminder to some here. Hamas was elected, but Hamas wasn't elected in order to fight Fatah for control of Gaza. Hamas sent armed members and supporters to kill Fatah members in Gaza or to compel them to surrender. Hamas was voted some power, but it grabbed far more then that. That makes it a rogue government.

That rogue government is a reality in large part because one of it's foundational goals is the destruction of Israel. For Hamas to now say it can live in peace with Israel is for Hamas to deny a large part of itself. It won't do this because it would then have to admit much of the reason it's here is now gone.

Hamas isn't going to self-destruct in order to work towards peace with Israel. It gains too much power and international support keeping the conflict going. Remember the Egyptian terrorist Yasser Arafat? His personal wealth was valued at tens of millions of dollars. That didn't happen because he worked for a real and lasting peace with Israel. He did get that because he kept a conflict his Arab masters wanted to keep going. War is big business for more then just the big nations.

Besides, Hamas is doing it's part to kill infidels which the religious leaders both inside and outside of Gaza have been wanting and calling for for decades. There has to be war with Israel just because Israel is there.

RealWoman wrote:
They are not to be believed. They have broken their word time and time again.

Martin Luther wrote:

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Please be kind enough to offer irrefutable evidence of your claim.

Hey Martin Luther..see you migrated to this forum.
I have a question for you. Please show me irrefutable evidence of your claim that Hamas has kept any of their promises. Show me proof that when a truce was declared that they didn't strap a bomb to some kid to blow up innocent women and children. Show me proof that when a truce was declared that they didn't lob rockets into Israel that killed innocent women and children. You're always asking for proof that Hamas did anything wrong so now show me proof that they didn't do anything wrong. Maybe they'll give you some proof when they take a break from selling their girl scout cookies.

Martin Luther wrote:

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Rules of war? What may that be. a traceable reference please.
Ive checked the Geneva Conventio and it says nothing of keeping land captured in war.
Carter succeeded in a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. An historical achievement. Bush got nothing to show for his eight years.
Lets talk about invading Iran after we finish chewing Iraq.

"Martin Luther"

To start with Hamas cares even less about their own people than they care about Israel. Case in point, they attack the one oil refinery supplying oil to those on the West Bank, the end result, for a number of days, those folks were with out fuel. Boy thats really looking out for the folks. Isn't it?

Hamas would gladly accept a smaller more compact Israel, it would make it much easier to carry out their acts of murder and terrorism. Despite former President Carters ramblings, Hamas stated to day they would never accept an Israeli state. So much for their 10 year truce.

America will not have to invade Iran, Israel will kick their butt.

Peace