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2008 Presidential Election

Tuesday Jul 1

Military service: A diminished campaign asset?

For McCain, getting shot down and enduring as a POW has been a political asset. Now Clark was suggesting that the "getting shot down" part was an irrelevant — at least as far as being a credential for the White House.

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This pisses me off. At least McCain served with valor. The same could not be said for Obama. Why did he not serve in the military?
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Worse, why did Obama make friends with Bill Ayers who is an admitted terrorist that bombed several buildings in the USA?

Obama's associations tells a lot about his flawed character as a man.
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I agree with Clark that being shot down and becoming a prisoner of war are not credentials for becoming president but these events do add to McCain's unquestionable patriotism. Something you can't say about Obama.

Obama has done absolutely nothing for the United States of America. Even now, his main focus is on increasing aid to foreign countries.

Clark is using the same old Obama planned and executed method of attack:(1) Use supporters to stab the competition in the back (2) Play innocent and dumb.
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I agree with Clark that being shot down and becoming a prisoner of war are not credentials for becoming president but these events do add to McCain's unquestionable patriotism. Something you can't say about Obama.
Obama has done absolutely nothing for the United States of America. Even now, his main focus is on increasing aid to foreign countries.
Clark is using the same old Obama planned and executed method of attack:(1) Use supporters to stab the competition in the back (2) Play innocent and dumb.
As I posted on a nearly identical thread Wes Clark is citing about 5% of McCains career treating it like is a 100% of his mil. and pol. experience.

Somebody ought to resurrect Gen. Hugh Shelton's quote over why he fired Wes Clark.
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x-nutmegger wrote:
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As I posted on a nearly identical thread Wes Clark is citing about 5% of McCains career treating it like is a 100% of his mil. and pol. experience.
Somebody ought to resurrect Gen. Hugh Shelton's quote over why he fired Wes Clark.
What does Wes Clark know? Every single one of his military achievements were through appointment and committee. He never served with the valor of those in combat. He got first dibs on the food and booze at that little party NATO threw in the Balkans ten years back. It bothers me to think that he even made news with his ridiculous statements, seeing as he is equal in relevance to Al Sharpton.

Aside from that, we must speak the truth. Enlisted men or NCO's have never become presidents. That's the domain of ring knockers and the like. It's cute that you got to run some papers at some naval base a thousand miles away from combat. What does that mean? We shouldn't be surprised that military service means squat to the American electorate. It never really has.

Furthermore, in the old days, you were drafted. Nowadays, how many voters out there served in the military? You don't need the GI Bill to go to college anymore. The voters of today cannot relate. Vietnam is a paragraph or two in the old high school history textbook to people under 60.

We've too many problems here domestically that supercede familiarity with the military anyway. The issue is stagflation and the loss of confidence with the American system altogether. If McCain is to win, he should appeal to viable solutions to our current fiscal and monetary predicament.

He must distance himself from the past eight years. He must radiate more confidence in the American people than he has done thus far. He must work to unite and heal old wounds as opposed to playing the Rovean way, as it is precisely what the American people are tired of. Most importantly, he cannot make the mistake of "100 Years" ever again.

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So I guess having friends like these qualify you to be President. I'll take McCains military service any day of the week. At least McCain served his country honorably which is more than I can say for Obama. I mean look at this dirty laundry list of associates...I'm not even sure how Barack can even qualify for a security clearance with these pathetic associations.

Friends of Barack Obama
William Ayers - American Terrorist
Raila Odinga - Cousin, Radical Islamist
Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist
Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord
Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter
Reverend Wright - Racist Muslim Supporter/Preacher, Anti-American
Reverend James Meeks - Racist
Reverend Louis Farrakhan - Racist Nation of Islam / Faux Preacher
Reverend. Jesse Jackson - Racist - Anti-Semetic
Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire
Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire

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Who Is Wesley Clark?

NATO had all but won the war in Kosovo when General Clark, NATO's Supreme Allied Commander almost caused an international incident with the Russians. The Russians had helped negotiate the Serbian withdraw from Kosovo. The Russians wanted to participate in the police action in Kosovo, they wanted their own section to police in Kosovo. When NATO refused to give the Russians their own section, they became "Pissed Off" and decide to take control of the airport; it was just a political tantrum. General Clark almost turned this minor incident into World War III. He ordered the British and French in the NATO K-For (NATO's Kosovo Force) to take the airport ahead of the Russians and keep them from taking the airport. NATO's head of K-Force, British Lieutenant-general Sir Michael Jackson, refused to enter into a possible armed conflict with the Russians over a meaningless issue. When Lieutenant-general Sir Michael Jackson of K-For refused an order to block the runways, General Clark ordered US Admiral James Ellis, the Head of NATO Southern Command to land helicopters on the runways to prevent giant Russian Ilyushin transport from coming in; US Admiral Ellis also refused his order. General Clark was replaced three months early from his tour of duty as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander.

You should read the British paper on General Sir Michael Jackson's account of the Pristina airfield debacle by General Clark. He must have been really been pissed off by General Clark, in the article he called General Clark by his derogatory nickname the "Perfumed Prince". A "Perfumed Prince" is a guy who got promoted doing staff work and not by doing the smelly and dirty work in the mud and guts in battle.

Wesley Clark's "HIGH NOON"
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut ...

Gen-Sir Mike Jackson's clash with NATO chief
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/156 ...

Robertson's plum job in a warring Nato
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/aug/03/b ...

A PERFUMED PRINCE GETS THE AXE
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Yes indeed, a candidate's military service is the important issue...
Not Obama's anti-American, racist, hate spewing, brain washing Trinity Church of 20 years. A "church" led by Obama's pastor and mentor the honorable butt spewing Rev. Jeremiah Wright pal of the honorable butt spewing Louis Farrakhan....despicable.
It's no wonder black punks on these forums spew the same demented anti-American, hate your country, blame whitey crap. That is a path which heads directly to jail, a morgue or nowhere...Trace it all back to leadership that is anything but Bill Crosby, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice, Linn Swan et al.

America...Love It Or Leave It.
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Mike wrote:
So I guess having friends like these qualify you to be President. I'll take McCains military service any day of the week. At least McCain served his country honorably which is more than I can say for Obama. I mean look at this dirty laundry list of associates...I'm not even sure how Barack can even qualify for a security clearance with these pathetic associations.
Friends of Barack Obama
William Ayers - American Terrorist
Raila Odinga - Cousin, Radical Islamist
Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist
Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord
Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter
Reverend Wright - Racist Muslim Supporter/Preacher, Anti-American
Reverend James Meeks - Racist
Reverend Louis Farrakhan - Racist Nation of Islam / Faux Preacher
Reverend. Jesse Jackson - Racist - Anti-Semetic
Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire
Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire
Let's see who the Republicans have been cuddling up to:

* Jack Abramoff
* Edison Misla Aldarondo
* Randal David Ankeney
* Jim Bakker
* Merrill Robert Barter
* Robert Bauman
* Parker J. Bena
* Louis Beres
* Howard L. Brooks
* John Bolton
* Mike Bowers
* Andrew Buhr
* Jim Bunn
* John Allen Burt
* Dan Burton
* George W. Bush
* John Butler
* Ken Calvert
* Helen Chenoweth
* Dick Cheney
* Lynne Cheney
* Mary Cheney
* Keola Childs
* Kevin Coan
* Larry Craig
* Dan Crane
* Paul Crouch
* Randy "Duke" Cunningham
* Richard A. Dasen Sr.
* Tom DeLay
* Richard A. Delgaudio
* Peter Dibble
* Nicholas Elizondo
* Larry Dale Floyd
* Mark Foley
* John Fund
* Jeff Gannon
* Jack W. Gardner
* Richard Gardner
* Jim Gibbons
* Newt Gingrich
* Philip Giordano
* Matthew Glavin
* Mark A. Grethen
* Stephen Griles
* Jon Grunseth
* Dr. W. David Hager
* Mark Harris
* John Hathaway
* Howard Scott Heldreth
* Mike Hintz
* Neal Horsley
* Tim Hutchinson
* Henry Hyde
* Don Haidl
* Paul Ingram
* Earl Kimmerling
* Lewis Libby
* Rush Limbaugh
* Bob Livingston
* Donald Lukens
* Pat McPherson
* Jon Matthews
* Harriet Miers
* Jeff Miller
* Nicholas Morency
* Sue Myrick
* Grover Norquist
* Bill O'Reilly
* Bob Packwood
* Jeffrey Patti
* John Paulk
* Brent Parker
* John E. Peterson
* Harvey Pitt
* Mark Pazuhanich
* George Roche III
* Beverly Russell
* Jack Ryang
* Ed Schrock
* John Scmitz
* Larry Jack Schwarz
* Don Sherwood
* Tom Shortridge
* Fred C. Smeltzer
* Craig J. Spence
* Jim Stelling
* Ted Stevens
* Jimmy Swaggart
* David Swartz
* Randall Terry
* Bill Thomas
* Strom Thurmond
* Robin Vanderwall
* David Vitter
* Jim Wesr
* Keith Westmoreland
* Stephen White
* Brent Wilkes
* et al
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Mcain made the mistake of his "100 Years" comment but worse still is his comment - I dont know anything about the economy

What a stupid thing to say when you are running for office and the economy stupid is the biggest issue (along with the war) that voters care about in this election.

McCain obviously needs a better speechwriter?
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Yes indeed, a candidate's military service is the important issue...
Not Obama's anti-American, racist, hate spewing, brain washing Trinity Church of 20 years. A "church" led by Obama's pastor and mentor the honorable butt spewing Rev. Jeremiah Wright pal of the honorable butt spewing Louis Farrakhan....despicable.
It's no wonder black punks on these forums spew the same demented anti-American, hate your country, blame whitey crap. That is a path which heads directly to jail, a morgue or nowhere...Trace it all back to leadership that is anything but Bill Crosby, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice, Linn Swan et al.
America...Love It Or Leave It.
wow thats pretty funny, america love it or leave it... wasn't it Mccain who said several times, i didn't love my country, till i was deprived of her. pathetic
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Cheese wrote:
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Let's see who the Republicans have been cuddling up to:
* Jack Abramoff
* Edison Misla Aldarondo
* Randal David Ankeney
* Jim Bakker
* Merrill Robert Barter
* Robert Bauman
* Parker J. Bena
* Louis Beres
* Howard L. Brooks
* John Bolton
* Mike Bowers
* Andrew Buhr
* Jim Bunn
* John Allen Burt
* Dan Burton
* George W. Bush
* John Butler
* Ken Calvert
* Helen Chenoweth
* Dick Cheney
* Lynne Cheney
* Mary Cheney
* Keola Childs
* Kevin Coan
* Larry Craig
* Dan Crane
* Paul Crouch
* Randy "Duke" Cunningham
* Richard A. Dasen Sr.
* Tom DeLay
* Richard A. Delgaudio
* Peter Dibble
* Nicholas Elizondo
* Larry Dale Floyd
* Mark Foley
* John Fund
* Jeff Gannon
* Jack W. Gardner
* Richard Gardner
* Jim Gibbons
* Newt Gingrich
* Philip Giordano
* Matthew Glavin
* Mark A. Grethen
* Stephen Griles
* Jon Grunseth
* Dr. W. David Hager
* Mark Harris
* John Hathaway
* Howard Scott Heldreth
* Mike Hintz
* Neal Horsley
* Tim Hutchinson
* Henry Hyde
* Don Haidl
* Paul Ingram
* Earl Kimmerling
* Lewis Libby
* Rush Limbaugh
* Bob Livingston
* Donald Lukens
* Pat McPherson
* Jon Matthews
* Harriet Miers
* Jeff Miller
* Nicholas Morency
* Sue Myrick
* Grover Norquist
* Bill O'Reilly
* Bob Packwood
* Jeffrey Patti
* John Paulk
* Brent Parker
* John E. Peterson
* Harvey Pitt
* Mark Pazuhanich
* George Roche III
* Beverly Russell
* Jack Ryang
* Ed Schrock
* John Scmitz
* Larry Jack Schwarz
* Don Sherwood
* Tom Shortridge
* Fred C. Smeltzer
* Craig J. Spence
* Jim Stelling
* Ted Stevens
* Jimmy Swaggart
* David Swartz
* Randall Terry
* Bill Thomas
* Strom Thurmond
* Robin Vanderwall
* David Vitter
* Jim Wesr
* Keith Westmoreland
* Stephen White
* Brent Wilkes
* et al
No comparison. We are talking about the family and friends of one man here, Obama, not the entire Democratic Party. If you want to make comparisons of the two parties in general, the list would be endless on both sides. After all, we are talking about the political arena which is all about power and corruption. Obama's campaign has been a good example of both.

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If John Kerry is your standard bearer for military service, you're obviously a democrat that doesn't value military service or despises it altogether.

It's sad that the party has moved so far left that it actually hopes for bad news from Iraq and Afghanistan just in hopes of advancing itself politically.
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Remember JFK? He managed to get his PT boat rammed by a destroyer that was 20 knots slower than his boat. All you heard in 1960 was what a hero he was.

Of course prior events in life are most useful as a judge of character, not job task qualifications, which is why Clark's remarks were especially despicable. McCain, enduring living hell in a POW prison and subjected to non-stop mental and physical torture gave up a chance at repatriation out of sense of duty to fellow prisoners.

The Marxist Dems are creatures from the lowest pits of hell for treating honor and sacrifice in this manner.
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This pisses me off. At least McCain served with valor. The same could not be said for Obama. Why did he not serve in the military?
Absolutely right!!! John McCain, in his early twenties, was serving his country with honor. While Barrack Hussein Obama, in his early twenties, was smoking dope and snorting cocaine! This presidential election should be a no-brainer. Besides, I'm very surprised Obama even has any brain cells left.

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Mcain made the mistake of his "100 Years" comment but worse still is his comment - I dont know anything about the economy
What a stupid thing to say when you are running for office and the economy stupid is the biggest issue (along with the war) that voters care about in this election.
McCain obviously needs a better speechwriter?
No, McCain is the same as Bush, remember when a reporter ask george about the $4 a gal of gas for the summer and he just stood there and said..huh? where did you hear that?

No, McCain is the same as Bush, Clueless.

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If John Kerry is your standard bearer for military service, you're obviously a democrat that doesn't value military service or despises it altogether.
It's sad that the party has moved so far left that it actually hopes for bad news from Iraq and Afghanistan just in hopes of advancing itself politically.
My Standard bearer is Sen. Daniel Inouye of my home state of Hawaii a Democrat and war hero.

And I don't know what you are talking about wishing for the war to go bad, I never heard any democrat say anything like that but I have heard republicans and their supporters say they wish for Americans to die in a terror attack to futher their polictical agenda.
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Don't you just love a John Wayne McCainiac Circle Jerk from our beloved Republican Friends of Dorthy. Tell us all the twelve steps you took to total and undeniable ignorance - please! We all wish to be totally deluded and inundated with hate for America and justice for all if you can pay for it. We want to be just like you, rascist, bigotted, rich, criminally insane liars with sunshine in your hearts and a knife in everyone's back at every turn. Serial killers of our children for profit while waving a flag. Aren't you all proud GOP boys of the cloth. Do you use the same rag to wipe up when you're done?

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My Standard bearer is Sen. Daniel Inouye of my home state of Hawaii a Democrat and war hero.
And I don't know what you are talking about wishing for the war to go bad, I never heard any democrat say anything like that but I have heard republicans and their supporters say they wish for Americans to die in a terror attack to futher their polictical agenda.
Look no farther than harry reid, nancy pelosi, or dick turbin durbin.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/0...

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi undermined U.S. foreign policy with her unauthorized trip to Syria to meet with that country's president, Bashar al-Assad -- a known supporter of terrorism, including the insurgency in Iraq. She did so against the wishes of the White House and Departments of State and Defense. She did so possibly in violation of the Logan Act, which affirms the Constitutional directive that matters of foreign policy reside solely with the Executive Branch. Madam Pelosi is now pondering a "diplomatic trip" to Iran.

Last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid publicly declared, "This war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything." As if bolstering the will of America's enemies and deflating the morale of U.S. troops weren't enough, Reid followed up his comment by stating that he wouldn't believe General David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, if he said things were improving there. Perhaps the Democrat leader needs to be reminded that he was one of 81 Senators to vote in favor of General Petraeus' confirmation back in January (not one Senator voted against his confirmation). Oh yeah, Reid also voted to authorize the war.

Indeed, their strategy was summed up by Harry Reid himself when he declared in an interview this week, "We are going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war."

Taking the matter even further was Senator Inhofe, who called for Reid's recall. Responding to a question on "Bill Bennett's Morning in America" radio show regarding whether the Majority Leader should resign, Inhofe responded, "I think it's more serious than that. I think there should be a recall... for saying something as un-American as that." Senator Inhofe added, "But it would have to emanate from the people... I can't imagine that something isn't going to happen."

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Look no farther than harry reid, nancy pelosi, or dick turbin durbin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/0...
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi undermined U.S. foreign policy with her unauthorized trip to Syria to meet with that country's president, Bashar al-Assad -- a known supporter of terrorism, including the insurgency in Iraq. She did so against the wishes of the White House and Departments of State and Defense. She did so possibly in violation of the Logan Act, which affirms the Constitutional directive that matters of foreign policy reside solely with the Executive Branch. Madam Pelosi is now pondering a "diplomatic trip" to Iran.
Last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid publicly declared, "This war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything." As if bolstering the will of America's enemies and deflating the morale of U.S. troops weren't enough, Reid followed up his comment by stating that he wouldn't believe General David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, if he said things were improving there. Perhaps the Democrat leader needs to be reminded that he was one of 81 Senators to vote in favor of General Petraeus' confirmation back in January (not one Senator voted against his confirmation). Oh yeah, Reid also voted to authorize the war.
Indeed, their strategy was summed up by Harry Reid himself when he declared in an interview this week, "We are going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war."
Taking the matter even further was Senator Inhofe, who called for Reid's recall. Responding to a question on "Bill Bennett's Morning in America" radio show regarding whether the Majority Leader should resign, Inhofe responded, "I think it's more serious than that. I think there should be a recall... for saying something as un-American as that." Senator Inhofe added, "But it would have to emanate from the people... I can't imagine that something isn't going to happen."
I don't see anything in your post that says that the Democrats said that they want the war to go bad, I see alot of specualation but nothing to the level of Mr. Black's comment on terror attacks and others that are documented of them saying that it would be helpful if America was attacked by terrorist.

I can see Reid's comment as wrong but other than that I don't see any statement by the democrats that said that they desire the war to go badly.
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