|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·
Later Kibitzing > |
Jul-15-06
 |
| AgentRgent: <LPeristy: I'm thinking of choosing Alekhine's Defense as my black 1.e4 opening. Can anyone reccommend a good book that discusses this opening in detail?> Great choice! I highly recommend The Complete Alekhine by Burgess, as well as his follow up New Ideas in the Alekhine's Defense. |
 |
| Aug-08-06 |
| WTHarvey: Here are some puzzles from B03 miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/b03.html |
|
Aug-08-06
 |
| keypusher: <LPeristy> I like Starting Out: Alekhine's Defence by John Cox. It's a good book for club players like me. |
|
May-05-07
 |
| Ron: The opneing of the day is Alekhine's Defense. The following line has occurred before, including a game between Isaac Kashdan and Max Euwe:
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5
click for larger view After this position, 8. g4 seems to be a move not in the chess database. I submit this is not only a viable move but white can get a good game. Here is part of a game I played against a program: 8. g4 Bg6 9. Nc3 Be7 10. h4 h6 11. h5 Bh7 12. Be3 0-0 13. Qb3 Nbd7 14. 0-0-0 a5 15. a4 c5 16. dxc5 dxc5 17. Bd3 Bxd3 18. Rxd3 Qc7 19. g5 Qc6 20. Nd5 Nxd5 21. cxd5 Qa6 22. Qc2 Bxg5 23. Bxg5 hxg5 24. Nxg5 Qh6 25. f4 Qd6 26. Rf3 Qh6 |
|
| May-05-07 |
| soughzin: AgentRgent, I have a question about the Nd7 Nxf7 line. Is there a defined "main line" for 8.g3 and what do u (or I suppose anyone familiar/interested) think of this line. (1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 Nd7 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qh5+ Ke6 8. g3 ) 8...b5 9.a4 c6 10.Bh3 Kd6 11.Nc3 b4 12.Bf4+! Nxf4 13.Ne4+ Kc7 14.Qa5+ Nb6 15.Qe5+ Qd6(Kb7 Nc5 mate) 16.Nxd6 exd6 17.Qxf4 Bxh3 Crazy sequence eh? Most of it pretty forcing although black can deviate on moves 8-11. Now white is up a pawn and is three pieces down for the queen, but the pieces aren't very coordinated yet. White might play Qf7+ to cover e7,e8 and g7,then castle and get the rooks involved. I'm not sure how to correctly evaluate it but certainly interesting and not a forced draw. |
|
May-23-07
|
| AgentRgent: <soughzin> Wow, sorry for the delay, didn't see your post till now! Honestly I've never faced 8. g3, but I'll admit it does look dangerous. I'd likely not venture 8...b5, opting instead for the slightly safer (to my mind) 8...g6. If I 'm willing to allow the Sac, I'm willing to take the draw. If I must win, I don't play 5...Nd7. I'd be interested to see what is published on this line. If anyone has any references... |
|
| May-23-07 |
| soughzin: It would seem safer but I'm not so sure. 9.Bh3+ Kd6 10.Qe2 (Threatening mate on e6) Black can try e5 or c6 but both seem to have black giving back the piece with a worse position. 10...N2f6 is pretty much losing after 11.Bf4. 10...N2b6 may be the saving grace but I'm not sure yet. I'll post more later but I'm off to sleep in a moment. |
|
| May-23-07 |
| soughzin: Ok after 10...N2b6 11.Bf4 (it can't be taken by the knight, although in this variation black's king can go to c6 without mate. 11...Kc6
(11.Bxc8 Qxc8 12.Qe5+ Kc6 13.Qxh8 Nf6 white has lost the initiative and is no better than equal, probably worse) 12.a4! threatening mate on b5, this is better than the immediate Bg2 since white might want to push a5 to threaten the b6knight with few squares to hop to. 12...a6 13.Bg2 The pin is on. White can now look for Qe5+, c4, a5, Be5 or combinations of them. It's black to move but how to solve all the problems? Black can try to remove the pin with Kd7 but after 14.Be5 Rg8 (or Nf6) 15.a5 and white should even up the material with black's king stuck in the center and his army tripping over themselves. Another look at 10...e5
11.c4 c5 (The best attempt to give back the piece but white still seems better) 12.cxd5 cxd4 13.Na3 Or 12.dxe5+ Nxe5 13.Bxc8 Rxc8 14.cxd5 Bg7 15.Nc3 10...e5 11.c4 N5b6 12.c5 or the crazy 12.dxe5+ Nxe5 13.Qd1+ Ke7 14.Bg5+ Kf7 15.Bxd8 Bxh3 16.Bxc7 10...e5 11.c4 N5f6 12.Nc3 Qe8 (12...c6? 13.dxe5+ Nxe5 14.Qxe5+! Kxe5 15.Bf4+ Kd4 16.0-0-0+ or Rd1+) 13.dxe5+ Nxe5 14.c5+ Kxc5 15.Be3+ Kd6 16.0-0-0+ Ke7 17.Bd4 Kf7 18.Bxc8 Rxc8 19.Rhe1 Nfd7 20.f4 and the piece is gone and a white advantage. Ned7 loses the queen on move 19 and is mate on move 20. Also black can try 12...Ke7 13.dxe5 Nxe5 (13...Kf7 14.exf6 Nxf6 16.Bxc8 R/Qxc8 17.0-0)14.Qxe5+ Kf7 15.Bxc8 Rxc8 16.0-0 the white pressure is gone but black has no compensation but the missing pawn. I doubt anyone will be insane enough to memorize and remember this stuff but it sure is looking good for white. |
|
| May-23-07 |
| soughzin: Obviously I meant N7f6/b6 instead of N2f6/b6 :) |
|
Sep-17-07
 |
| refutor: <re : 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.f4 dxe5 6.fxe5 c5 7.d5 g6> it is the recommended line v. the four pawns in andrew martin's new DVD on the alekhine http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
|
Sep-18-07
|
| AgentRgent: <refutor> Interesting, although he does his students a big disservice by ignoring/missing the Movsesian-Varga game. |
|
| Sep-18-07 |
| savagerules: 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 c4 Nb6 4 a4!? is an annoying move for Black, I managed to lose to somebody 200 points lower than me when i played 4...a5 5 c5 Nd5 6 Nc3 and White has a nice advantage. 4...d6 probably best then 5 a5 N6d7 6 e6!? is sharp line for white. |
|
| Dec-31-07 |
| Recoiler: Hello everyone!
Could someone tell me what's wrong (if anything) with 1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5. Nf3?! ? This seems inaccurate, but is there any way black can punish white's early c4 in this variation? Thanks in advance. |
|
Dec-31-07
 |
| Buddy Revell: <Recoiler> I don't think there's anything wrong with that line. It can transpose to the Modern Variation (1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4.Nf3), for instance. |
|
Dec-31-07
 |
| MaxxLange: <1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 c4 Nb6 4 a4!? is an annoying move for Black> the so-called Emory Tate variation. Big fun, but probably not a good choice for a serious game...my friends and I used to be obsessed with this line and played many blitz games in it. Our conclusion: against ...a5, White doesn't get much against correct play. <4...d6 probably best then 5 a5 N6d7 6 e6!? is sharp line for white> the pawn sacrifice e6 is indeed dangerous, and Black has to defend carefully. If the attack doesn't go through, White is worse of course |
|
Dec-31-07
 |
| whiteshark: <MaxxLange:> Looks interesting, this <Emory Tate variation>
Opening Explorer |
|
| Jan-28-08 |
| nescio: <Recoiler: Could someone tell me what's wrong (if anything) with 1. e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5. Nf3?!> Two games to give you some ideas:
Alekhine vs Euwe, 1935 10...Nc6! instead of 10...axb6. Black is much better. Alekhine vs Reshevsky, 1937 10...Qxd7! instead of 10...Nxd7. |
|
Jan-28-08
|
| MaxxLange: <whiteshark> E Tate vs Manfred Herfel, 1991
Shows both the ...Ra3-g3 idea and the pawn sac on e6. The e6 sac is older than this weird a4 line; Alekhine analyzes a nice game in his book about chess in 1939-1945, where White wins against the Alekhine with a beautiful attack. Black has obvious difficulty developing after 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3 Nf3 d6 4 d4 Nc6 5 e6 fxe6. That game was in Buenoes Aires 1939, can't remember the players but I think White was from a Scandanavian country. |
|
| Apr-03-08 |
| get Reti: Interesting is the variation 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6 4.Nf3 <Nc6>. The game may continue 5.c4 Nb6 6.<e6> or <exd6>. After 6.e6 fxe6, black plans to play ...e5 and Nd4. Can black hold on to the extra pawn? It looks possible to me. After 6.exd6 exd6, it branches into 7.Be2 and h3. 7.Be2 Bg4 8.0-0 Be7 9. b3 0-0 10.Nc3 Bf6 11.Be3 d5 looks ok for black. So does 7.h3 Be7 8. Nc3 0-0 9. Be2 Bf5 10. 0-0 Bf6 11. Be3 Re8 12.b3 d5. |
|
| Aug-10-08 |
| drukenknight: The perfect storming attack. Alekhines defense meets Lasker's var., transposes into French defense, then into Albin Chatard attack...It's amazing how many various openings/defenses that flash before your eyes 1 e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. Bc4 (I think Lasker espoused this move)
3... e6
4. d4 a6 (apparently a novelty)
5. h4 (since it now looks like a French, I decide to play the move that defines the Albin Chatard attack) 5... b5
6. Bg5 exd5
8. Nh3 O-O
9. Nc3 Bxg5
10. Nxg5 d6?! (f6 maybe better?)
11. Qh5 h6
12. Nxd5 hxg5 (?)
13. hxg5 f5
14. Nf6+ Rxf6 1-0
Okay that was kindof fun, but of course there is always a serious question and that is how does black hold this: Position after 12 Nxd5. Black to play, can you hold this? 
click for larger view |
|
Aug-10-08
|
| keypusher: Hey, drukenknight, a pleasure to see you as always.
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. Bc4 (I think Lasker espoused this move)
<He played both 3. c4 Nb6 4. c5 and the Four Pawns Attack, but not this move as far as I or the database know. But maybe he wrote about it somewhere.> 3... e6
<Best for Black seems to be 3....Nb6 4. Bb3 c5.> 4. d4 a6 (apparently a novelty <and unlikely to be repeated. :-)>) 5. h4 (since it now looks like a French, I decide to play the move that defines the Albin Chatard attack) 5... b5
6. Bg5 exd5
<A move is missing -- I think it went 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bxd5 exd5 8. Nh3.> 8. Nh3 O-O
9. Nc3 Bxg5
10. Nxg5 d6?! (f6 maybe better?)
<Yes, ...f6 looks OK.> 11. Qh5 h6
12. Nxd5 hxg5 (?)
<Black has to play 12....dxe5 when it seems like the knight on d5 has to retreat. After 13. Ne3 exd4 14. 0-0-0 White obviously still has an attack, but at least he doesn't have a forced mate!> 13. hxg5 f5 14. Nf6+
<It hardly matters, but 14. g6 is a little quicker.> 14... Rxf6 1-0 Nice game! |
|
Aug-10-08
 |
| ughaibu: The Druke! Online! Fantastic! |
|
| Aug-10-08 |
| drukenknight: Keypusher:
A) yes I think you are right, I forget to show: 6...Be7 7. Bxd5 exd5 B) Does black still lose after: 12.....dxe5
13. Nc3 hxg5
14. hxg5 Bh3
15. Qxh3 f5
16. g3 exd4
17. Qh7+ Kf7
18. Qxf5+ Ke8
19. Qg6+ Ke7
20. O-O-O
C) Check out the other ALkehines game we kibitzed about... |
|
Aug-10-08
|
| keypusher: drukenknight:
In your line (B),
12....dxe5 13. Nc3, after 13....hxg5 14. hxg5 Bh3 15. Rxh3 (or 15. Qxh3) 15....f5, I think 16. g6 just forces immediate mate. What does Black have against Qh8#? But on the other hand, why doesn't Black play 13....exd4 instead of ...hxg5? I don't think Black is under any compulsion to take the knight on g5, since White isn't threatening anything immediately if he doesn't. After 13....exd4 14. 0-0-0 Black could perhaps try ...Bf5, with ...Bg6 to follow. Of course he's not out of the woods by any means, but I think I would still rather be Black. Re (C), can you remind me where that kibitzing is?
Came across one of your old posts in this game: Janowski vs Lasker, 1914 . 48. Qf3 was a great idea! OK, I have to go write a brief. I'll try to check back here and whereever the other Alekhine kibitzing is tonight. |
|
| Aug-10-08 |
| drukenknight: keypusher the easiest way to find the other thread about alek defense is to just go to recent kibitzing from the home or: Alekhine's Defense (B02)
Thanks for compliments on that Janowski game, sometimes I look back at these old posts and somethngs I say are just stupid, so it's nice when something actually works. |
|
 |
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·
Later Kibitzing > |
