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| May-05-08 |
| rudysanford: Are either Bogoljubov's or Santasiere's books on Chigorin worth getting? I saw that they are mentioned earlier in the thread but didn't see much of opinion one way or the other regarding their worth. I would guess that the Khalifman edition would be worthwhile, but I have not found a source yet. |
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May-09-08
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| Resignation Trap: <rudysanford> I have a copy of "My Love Affair with Tchigorin", and I bought it primarily for Santasiere's annotations. It contains 100 games, 93 of which are on our database in this collection: Game Collection: Santasiere's "My Love Affair With Tchigorin" . The book has very little biographical information, and concentrates on his games. You can purchase a copy of it now on http://www.amazon.com for only $ 6.98 in new condition, just be sure to spell the name "Tchigorin". At that price, you can hardly go wrong. |
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| May-15-08 |
| FHBradley: <rudysanford:> I have Bogoljubov's collection of Chigorin's selected games. It contains a rather insubstantial introduction by Raymond Keene plus 240 games annotated in the Informator style. The Khalifman & Soloviov book is better, as it contains a some details (much more than in the other book) plus 775 games of which 200 have been annotated (á la Informator). It's well worth having, if you are interested in (i) Chigorin; (ii) Chigorin's games; (iii) history of 19th and early 20th century chess; (iv) any combination of these. As the authors are Russian who presumably has access to rare material, I would have hoped more quotations from Chigorin himself. There's also a book on Tchigorin by Jimmy Adams from the late 80s. It's probably very good and a must for any serious Tchigorinist, but I haven't seen it and I don't think it's easily available. |
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| May-16-08 |
| Knight13: Chessmetrics Player Profile: Mikhail Chigorin
Born: 1850-Nov
Died: 1908-Jan
Best World Rank: #2 (17 different months between the October 1889 rating list and the September 1897 rating list ) Highest Rating: 2797 on the October 1895 rating list, #3 in world, age 44y11m
Best Individual Performance: 2787 in Budapest, 1896, scoring 10/14 (71%) vs 2676-rated opposition |
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| May-18-08 |
| FHBradley: <Knight13> I don't think you have given the right order for Tchigorin in Hastings 1895. For one thing, he lost to Janowski in round 20 in what may be the worst game of his entire career; it's strange how he was able to play some of his best chess and some of his worst chess in a very same tournament; but he was known to be somewhat unstable as a sportsman. |
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May-18-08
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| Benzol: <Knight13> Chigorins progress in Hastings round by round can be traced in Game Collection: Hastings 1895 Hope this helps.
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| Jun-24-08 |
| FHBradley: For the first five players we have the following:
Pillsbury 01½111111110½1½110111
Chigorin 111011111½1½0111½½101
Lasker 101011111½1111½1½1001
Tarrasch 00½10½1110½101½111111
Steinitz 1½111000011½1½½110101 |
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| Jun-24-08 |
| FHBradley: And for the poor von Bardeleben we have the following: 1½½1111½1000½0½00½1½1
In the first nine rounds, he was playing the tournament of his life, and the rest was a misery. |
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Sep-01-08
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| Geronimo: Geronimo: I've always admired Chigorin. If I remember correctly he started playing chess quite late in life (for a grandmaster), i.e. after 20 years old. Anybody know more about that? The Chigorin defense has a lot of life in it. I'm no master, but played against the unsuspecting, it can be quite devastating. For anyone who still holds onto the fiction that Chigo "preferred" knights over bishops, See Pillsbury vs Chigorin, 1896 and watch him go to town... |
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Sep-01-08
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| Geronimo: Sorry, I meant: Pillsbury vs Chigorin, 1896 |
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| Sep-01-08 |
| myschkin: . . .
Chigorin became serious about chess uncommonly late in life; his schoolteacher taught him the moves at the age of 16, but he did not take to the game until around 1874, having first finished his studies before commencing a career as a government officer. His first international tournament was Berlin 1881, where he became 3rd=. |
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Sep-11-08
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| nimh: Chigorin is couple of levels above Modern 2100-rated players:
http://www.zone.ee/chessanalysis/su...
It's surprising for me that the forefather of russian chess exhibited such a good level of play, practically equal to Morphy. And what a pathetic level of accuracy by 2100-rated players... but it might be just a bad luck though |
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| Oct-23-08 |
| Ladolcevita: Is this a portrait?No photos in colour??
I think this portait somehow touches me...... |
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Nov-12-08
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| brankat: A 158 years since M.Chigorin's birth!
And yet, so many of his games, and ideas, feel as fresh and new, as if they were played only recently. Two greatest players of the period, Chigorin and Steinitz were contemporaries, although the latter was 14 years older. They played 2 matches for the Champion's title, in 1889 and 1892. Steinitz prevailed both times. They were very much different in how they saw the game, in approach, and style. Here is Fred Reinfeld's comment: "These two geniuses had an unrivaled insight into the nature of chess. Whereas the popularizers think of chess as being amenable to order, logic, exactitude, calculation, foresight and other comparable qualities, Steinitz and Tchigorin agreed on one thing: that chess can be, and often is, as irrational as life itself. It is full of disorder, imperfection, blunders, inexactitudes, fortuitous happenings, and unforeseen consequences. But whereas Steinitz strove with all his might to impose order on the irrational, Tchigorin went to the other extreme. Let us surrender to the irrational, he said in effect. Steinitz tried to banish the unforeseen. Tchigorin took delight in it. Steinitz sought order, system, logic, balance, broad basic postulates; Tchigorin wanted surprise, change, novelty, glitter, the lightning stroke from a clear sky." It may be of interest to some to note that Bobby Fischer held Chigorin in very high regard, and during the preparations for his match with Spassky in 1972, he spent just as much time studying the games of M.Chigorin as he did the work of Spassky. Fischer considered himself a disciple of W.Steinitz, and Spassky a disciple of M.Chigorin. R.I.P. Master Mikhail! |
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| Nov-12-08 |
| FHBradley: I think Yuri Shulman somewhere said that he reached the level of an IM studying the games of Alekhine and Tchigorin. Happy birthday Gospodin Mikhail! |
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Nov-12-08
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| talisman: <brankat> i did not know that about fischer. thanks. happy birtday big guy. |
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Nov-22-08
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| Karpova: I just finished a game collection on the Game Collection: Lodz triple-round match tournament 1906 but I'm not quite sure about Chigorin's games against Salwe (the ones against Flamberg were submitted to chessgames.com and they don't seem to have met in another tournament but maybe someone else knows more about this also): As you know, Chigorin played a match against Salwe preceding that tournament. Most of the Salwe-Chigorin games are missing from the database. I tried http://db.mychess.com/ where more games between them are to be found but it's also not so clear where they are from. So, who knows which games between Chigorin and Salwe are from their match and which are from that tournament? I chose these three games:
Chigorin vs Salwe, 1906
Salwe vs Chigorin, 1906
Chigorin vs Salwe, 1906 |
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| Nov-22-08 |
| sneaky pete: <Karpova> The 3 games you chose are also given, in that order, as played in the tournament by Khalifman and Soloviov (1999 edition of their Chess Stars collection). They have only 9 games of the preceding match, so most likely the other 6 games were not preserved. |
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Nov-22-08
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| Karpova: <sneaky pete> Thank you very much! |
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Dec-02-08
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| Karpova: C.N. 5875 links to a (rather unknown) picture of Chigorin (pointed out by Olimpiu G. Urcan (Singapore)): http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b... Source: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Dec-02-08
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| brankat: <Karpova> A very nice photograph! Thank You. It is interesting to note the caption at the top of the picture: <N. [i. e. M.] Tchigorin, champion du monde d'�checs : [photographie de presse] / [Agence Rol> "...chess Champion of the World...". By Chigorin's looks I'd say the photo was taken sometime during the 1880s, probably prior to W.Steinitz's 1886 victory over Zuckertort. |
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Dec-02-08
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| whiskeyrebel: What a magnificent beard. |
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Dec-02-08
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| Open Defence: did he have green eyes ? |
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Dec-02-08
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| brankat: <Open Defence> All of Chigorin's photo's are in black/white. What makes You think (wish?) he had green eyes? :-) Actually, the colour was BLUE!
<whiskeyrebel> Yes, the beard looks real cool, but mostly thanks to the light/shade effect inherent in the old black & white photos :-) |
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| Feb-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: R.I.P. Master Chigorin. |
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