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Sep-05-06 |
| trumbull0042: Ooooh, actually, I've figured it out. White pushes h3, and Black gets nowhere with 9...h5 10. b4 g4 11. hxg4 hxg4?? 12. Rxh8. |
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Apr-02-07 |
| Strelz: Here is a miniature I pulled off which shows how not to play the French Advance with White.
1.e4 e6 2.e5 d5 3.d4 c5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.Bb5?(c3!) a6 6.Bxc6(Now he has lost his white square Bishop, nothing to stop my g8 Knight with) bxc6 7.O-O?(c3!) cxd4 8.Nxd4 c5 9.Nf3 Ne7 10.Na3?(Horrible plan) Ng6 11.c4??(Gives up a lot of space) d4! 12.Qe1 Bb7 13.Nd2?(Rather bad as we shall see) Nf4!?(with the cunning idea of...) 14.g3?? (leading to) 14..Nh3#! |
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Apr-04-07
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| gambitfan: Opening of the Day We 04/04/2007 |
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Apr-30-07
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| ongyj: Dear guys I need some help on the advance variation of the French defence. Can someone explain why the logic behind 3.e5 ? Is it to discourage ...Nf6 or something more concrete? Also, don't White players hate to play the advance variation which arguably forces White on the defence of the d4 pawn? [eg. 3...c5 4.c3(already defending from here) ...Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 and eventually Black tries to go Nh6f5 targeting the d4 pawn, forcing White to play Bxh6 or Bxf5 in time to come.] Thanks in advance. |
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Apr-30-07
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| Shajmaty: <ongyj: [...] Can someone explain why the logic behind 3.e5 ? Is it to discourage ...Nf6 or something more concrete? Also, don't White players hate to play the advance variation [...]> The White pawn chain urges for kingside play, and the Black pawn chain supports queenside play after 3...c5. This variation only leads to equal chances against correct defence. 3. Nc3 and 3. Nc3 are preferred. |
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May-10-07 |
| SBGiffy: What's white best ideas against this...
e4 e6
d4 d5
e5 c5
c3 nf6
nf3 qb6
a3 c4
nd2 na5
be2 bd7
0-0 nb3
nxb3 ba4 (!? ?!)
My french advance book by Kosten doesn't even mention this, yet I get this played by black opponents all the time on fics. Is best just nfd2, move queen, let him then take, then nxb? Or is there some other more immediate refutation? Thanks in advance |
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May-24-07
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| Shajmaty: <SBGiffy: [...] Is best just nfd2, move queen, let him then take, then nxb?> I guess U mean 4...Nc6 and 7. Nbd2. I should play 11. Nfd2, and if 11...0-0-0; 12. Qe1. |
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Jun-08-07
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| Silverstrike: Can anyone please provide me with information or their opinion on the line 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Qg4 ? I'm thinking of picking it up. |
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Jun-08-07 |
| russep: Are there any good books on this variation? |
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Jun-08-07
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| Tomlinsky: <Silverstrike: Can anyone please provide me with information or their opinion on the line 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Qg4 ? I'm thinking of picking it up.> The first question I would ask, if I may, is what attracts you to this line as white against the French? Personally and for what it's worth as the Frenchee I would instantly take up your kind offer with 4...cxd and be quite optimistic as to my chances. One part of traditional French duties has immediately been accomplished with the tearing down of your central pawn at d4 vapourised and your advanced pawn is now unsupported and weak. I also have a resolved c-file half open for operations. Black has already at least equalised on move 4 from my viewpoint and would be happy to meet these all day long. I am guessing that most French players you will ask fear Classical and Tarrasch variations much more than the Advance and as far as the latter goes this isn't a particularly dangerous variation for Black. What does White do now? If White gets good piece placement in compensation for his broken centre and early queen development I could see some method but I don't see how that is possible really. Any Black deficiencies, actual or potential, seem to me the kind a good French player would be used to handling anyway in other variations such as in some lines an uncastled king, weakened light-squares on the king side, etc. White on the other hand is pretty much commited to king side castling if he does so at all and Black is pretty solid in the centre at least with very active development. The h and f pawns can be very lively with setups like this posing questions to white's king side very quickly. The games would be interesting but I think that most French players could respond on auto-pilot to this particular variation. Apologies for being brutal here but I honestly believe that the way to meet the French with White is not with this particular variation. Something with a bit more meat and reputation in the Advance will be needed sooner rather than later against decent opposition. |
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Jun-09-07 |
| exchangesacrifice: There are no good ways to meet French with White... it's better to switch from 1.e4 to some other opening move. |
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Jun-09-07 |
| EeEk: 4.Qg4 should be met by 4...Qa5! |
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Jun-09-07
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| Silverstrike: <Tomlinsky> I don't really know, I saw it played a few years ago and I have been quite attracted to it for some reason. |
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Jun-09-07
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| keypusher: Silverstrike: here are a couple of illustrations of Tomlinsky's point: I Rabinovich vs Botvinnik, 1937
This game doesn't feature 4. Qg4, but White follows Nimzowitsch's idea of gambiting the d-pawn. It doesn't work well: Bondarevsky vs Botvinnik, 1941 |
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Jun-11-07 |
| russep: Are there any good books on this variation? |
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Jul-02-07 |
| GamerMan: Does anyone know why 4. Be3?! is never played? |
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Jul-02-07
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| sisyphus: After 3...c5? If 4. Be3 cxd4 recapturing with the bishop is an embarassment after 5...Nc6. |
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Aug-18-07 |
| King mega: <russep: Are there any good books on this variation? > i have a program about milner-barry gambit. |
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Aug-31-07 |
| E M Osbourn: "exchangesacrifice: There are no good ways to meet French with White... it's better to switch from 1.e4 to some other opening move." What an absolutely ridiculous statement... 3.Nc3, 3.Nd2 or 3.exd5 are all fine. To claim that the French Defence refutes 1.e4 is laughable. |
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Mar-11-08 |
| raskerino: Questions on the Milner-Barry Gambit:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 10.Nc3 Now there are two main branches
a) 10... Qxe4 11.Re1 and there's another split:
a1) 11... Qd6 12.Nb5 Bxb5 13.Bxb5+ Kd8 and what's the correct move here? The game of the day has a very successful 14.Be3 followed by Rc1 and Bc5 to target the d6 queen, but there's also 14.Qh5 trying to induce a g6 weakness before 15.Qf3 or there's an immediate 14.Qf3 which if noting else prepares Bf4. All these seem reasonable, but I'd love to hear if anyone's done some analysis and has an argument in favor of one of these moves, or another. a2) 11... Qb8 and again there's a branch, but I favor 12.Qf3 to the line 12.Nxd5 Bd6 13.Qg4 Kf8 14.Bd2 h5 15.Qh3 which I've never had success with so: 12.Qf3 Bc6 this isn't always played, but I've found it challenging in blitz. Any ideas? b) 10... a6 11.Qe2 Ne7 is the move always analyzed, but I think it was Atalik who played 11... Rc8 and that seems more critical. b1) 11... Ne7 12.Kh1 Nc6 13.f4 and the following is an example of my problems, but 13... Nb4 14.Rd1 (14.Bb1 looks ugly) 14... Bc5 when I'm not sure if I have an improvement upon 15.a3 Nxd3 16.Rxd3 Qf2 17.Qxf2 Bxf2 18.f5 which doesn't appear to be enough for white. b2) 11... Rc8 12.Kh1 should I follow the same plan here? I have no knowledge of this position, it was just mentioned to me that 11... Rc8 was the key move for black. Any idea how to meet this and what black's plan might be? Thanks a ton for any advice in any of these lines, I'm a 1950 without a strong computer who'd love to see any well thought out (or computer driven) analysis. |
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Mar-11-08
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| whiteshark: <raskerino: <Questions on the Milner-Barry Gambit:>> ad a2) <11...Qb8 12.Qf3 Bd6 13.Qxd5 Bc6 14.Qh5 Nf6 15.Rxe6+ Be7 16.Rxe7+ Kxe7 17.Qf5> looks unclear to me click for larger viewDue to black's unsecure there should be enough compensation for the exchange. |
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Apr-09-08
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| WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!! |
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Apr-09-08
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| Tomlinsky: <WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!!> That would be the KIA and Exchange Variation respectively I believe. :) |
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Apr-09-08
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| whiteshark: <WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!!> I suggest <a pre-French> for Yu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYW... :D |
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Apr-09-08 |
| MagisterMusicae: trumbull0042, Is really interesting your cuestion. Your solution 9.h3 is very pasive. I like more 9.Bxg5, with the posible continuation 9... Qxb2 10.Nd2 Nxd4 11.Rb1 Nxe2+ 12.Qxe2 Qxa2 13.Rxb7, with compensation for the losing pawn.
Your opinion?
(I speak spanish)
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