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| Apr-19-04 |
| Phoenix: If you play 3...Nf6 chances are that it will transpose back into main lines if White plays d4 at one point. Some examples: 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 a6 5.d4 cxd4 6.Nxd4 is the 6.Bc4 Najdorf.
3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.d4 cxd4 6.Nxd4 is the Classical Fischer/Sozin attack. |
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| Apr-19-04 |
| Kenkaku: <N N> I generally play 3...e6 and wait to strike with d5 if the opportunity arises. |
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Nov-09-04
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| e4Newman: I recently had the unexpected challenge of seeing 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4! as black. OTB I chose to continue 3...e6 4.O-O 5.a6 Nc3 6.Nf6 for a wicked closed game that I lost. My bishop on d7 may have helped. I later reviewed the theory on 3.Bc4 and found 3...Nf6 is weak against 4.e5!. 3...Nc6 is passive, striking at nothing but defending against 4.e5 temporarily. 3...f5? is useless. Any thoughts? Does white even need to open this positions up? Can black ever hope to equalize? The opening explorer sure looks good for white. I've been studying closed Sicilians a bit and am coming to learn of their strong psychological power. |
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Nov-09-04
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| e4Newman: Typo - I continued <3...e6 4.O-O a6 5.Nc3 Nf6> |
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| Nov-10-04 |
| Dudley: <e4Newman> Believe it or not, the line you gave is very common among theory challenged players, as if they playing the giuco piano. The way you played it looks good to start with but are you sure that ...Nf6 is all bad, as long as you leave a retreat square on d7? After e5, White has no good way to defend his advanced e pawn after ...Nd7, since it's too late for d4. I recently reviewed positions like this in the opening explorer and black has a huge plus percentage. Most of the games had a French type formation with ..a6, similar to what you did. Nc6 is fine-where else? If you want to practice it, go on your online chess server and try to play a bunch of low rated blitz players-you'll get a lot of 2.Bc4 and 3.Bc4. Just try to get in ...d5 if allowed,or d6 if you have to. Another approach would be to combine ..e6, ...g6,... Bg7 and...Ne7 which is a line in the French used against the KI attack, still aiming for...d5. I think you have to change your normal development scheme in the Sicilian to prove how lame this really is. White has no real pawn breaks and no constructive plan when he doesn't move d4 and rules out f4 by playing Nf3. |
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| Nov-10-04 |
| Dudley: I'm not sure what you were looking at in Opening Explorer that was so good for White but imo the white KB belongs on g2 not c4 in the true Closed Sicilian. I guess I was looking at 2.Bc4 games, but with Nf3 as a second move I suppose the most common move for black is ...d6, which makes it harder to play the lines I mentioned above. It doesn't bother me because my 2nd move for black is ...Nc6, leaving my d and e pawns uncommited. |
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| Nov-10-04 |
| Dudley: Some of the things in my previous post were assuming a 2nd move for black of 2...Nc6. In the opening explorer, 3.Bc4 is much more effective vs. 2...d6 than it is vs. 2...Nc6. This is one of the problems playing the Sicilian in average ranking sections. You hardly ever get to play your favorite line and run into off beat lines like this one. My main line is the accelerated dragon- I got hooked on that courtesy of Jeremy Silman. |
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Nov-10-04
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| e4Newman: Opening Explorer
is the Opening Explorer page that concerned me. While stats can be a bit misleading, they look pretty good for white. |
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Nov-10-04
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| e4Newman: Thanks <Dudley>. I've been discussing this with some others and they also pointed out that OTB I missed the N retreat to d7. I think white's KB can easily be harassed, so I'm not sure I'd play this as black. It was fun to try to deal with on the spot - now I'm prepared. I have seen many uncommon lines used against me, you simply have to switch gears away from modern theory and book lines as you pointed out. And kudos to Silman, his books have helped a lot - especially the ones that focus on rationalizing positions and tactics, kinda like the old Ruben Fine chess openings book. |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| dickweed: On the whole I find it rather strange that there isn't more games & theory covering 3) Bc4. The minimum experience I have against it as black suggests that 3..e6 is a bit too passive for my taste, I've always avoided playing 3..Nf6 in view of e5 but after <Dudley>'s suggestion of the Nd7 retreat I might start experimenting with it. Would be fun if more ppl could comment on this position |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| dickweed: Also, <Dudley> are you comfortable playing against the "Marakovsky" (pardon my spelling) bind in the Accelarated? That's what makes me hesitate about using the accelarated |
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Jan-08-05
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| refutor: <e4newman> look a little deeper in the opening explorer...why not just play the dragon v. 3.Bc4 Opening Explorer also after 4.e5 dxe5 5.Nxe5 e6 what's the big deal? |
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| Feb-20-05 |
| erikofthesouth: I've played an opening several times, and don't know if it's been played in a grandmaster game... it may be something I just made up.
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4
Is this a real opening? Help me out here, if you will... just for kicks, here's a blitz game I played against a 1600 once. I was white.
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.e5 dxe5 5.Nxe5 Nbd7??? 6.Bxf7# |
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Feb-20-05
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| Sneaky: Erik, Bc4 is a great square for the bishop, but usually GM's play d4 first and later decide where to place the bishop. However, this does not mean that delaying d4 is necessarily bad, the Opening Explorer shows hundreds of games that follow these lines. In most of them I imagine that d4 is played in short order, thereby transposing back into a normal Sicilian. |
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| Feb-20-05 |
| azaris: I've bit the bullet and tried to play Sicilian recently. Of course you can guess that 3. Bc4 then crops up with some regularity. The result is invariably something like this: [White "canada1"]
[Black "azaris"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.a3 a6 6.d3 Nc6 7.Bg5 Be7 8.O-O O-O
9.Ba2 Ne8
(My idea to reduce tension by exchanging bishops.)
10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.Qd2 h6 12.Ne2 Nc7 13.b4 Rd8 14.Ng3 b6 15.c3 d5 16.e5 d4 17.bxc5 bxc5 18.c4 Rb8 19.Rab1 Bd7 20.Ne4 Ne8 (Annoying traffic jam that gives Black no counterplay.) 21.Qf4 f6
(Looks ugly but what else is there to do?)
22.exf6 Nxf6 23.Nxf6+ Qxf6 24.Qxf6 gxf6 25.h3 e5 26.g4 f5 (This whole plan must be faulty for White. Unfortunately I don't find the correct way to refute it.) 27.Nh2 fxg4 28.Nxg4 Bxg4 29.hxg4 Kg7 30.Kg2 Rxb1 31.Rxb1 Rb8 32.Rxb8 Nxb8 (I was thinking the bishop would not be good but underestimated the white king's influence on the light squares.) 33.Kf3 Kf6 34.Ke4 Ke6 35. Bb3 Nd7 36.Ba4 Nf6+ 37.Kf3 Nh7 (Fishing for 38. Ke4?? Ng5#)
38.Bc6 (Rats!) Nf6 (White could have played on but I think it's holdable.) 1/2-1/2 I don't usually mind playing in closed positions, but this one was a bit too laggish for even my tastes. Any ideas on how to liven up the Closed Sicilian? |
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| Feb-20-05 |
| Dudley: Yes<dickweed> the dreaded Maroczy Bind is the theoretical flaw of the Accelerated Dragon but there are a few good ways to play against it. Anyway it takes a good, patient positional player to really take advantage of it for White-rare at my level. Playing it by rote just because you heard it's the theoretical refutation isn't going to cut it against someone who knows it better from the Black side. |
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| Jul-19-05 |
| get Reti: Is there any way to get the pawn back after 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 Nf6 4. Be2 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. cxd4 Nxe4? |
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| Jul-19-05 |
| buRnINGbeNd: <get Reti> If you're playing c3 that early, I would suggest essaying the Kopec system with 4.Bd3. I personally prefer open Sicilians as both white and black, but have found the Kopec (with either 3.Bd3 4.c3 or vice versa) to be the toughest Anti-Sicilian to play against. |
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| Nov-09-05 |
| stevechess: Has anyone come across 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 lately, I find it almost never comes up! |
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Nov-09-05
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| WannaBe: <stevechess> You can use the opening explorer to search the database here. Opening Explorer Quite a few games in 2005 too... |
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| Feb-21-06 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: I'm looking for games in which the Smith-Morra gambit is played (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3): Opening Explorer The games I can find in this database with this opening are not really satisfying...Can anyone help me out please? Thanks! |
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| May-25-06 |
| DeepBlade: Whew, Sicilians are too much for me...
[White "DeepBlade"]
[Black "NN"]
[BlackElo "1644"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Event "InstantChess"]
Closed endgame position, so I walk the King
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4
cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6
6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 Nxd4
9.Bxd4 O-O 10.O-O-O Be6 11.Kb1
Qa5 12.Nd5 Qxd2 13.Nxe7+ Kh8
14.Rxd2 Rfe8 15.Bxf6 Bxf6 16.Nd5
Bd8 17.Rd4 Ba5 18.Bd3 Bxd5
19.Rxd5 Bc7 20.f4 Re6 21.g4 Rae8
22.h4 Kg8 23.h5 a6 24.g5 b5
25.Kc1 Rc8 26.c3 Bb6 27.Kd2 Bc5
28.Ke2 Rc6 29.Kf3 Kf8 30.c4
bxc4 31.Bxc4 a5 32.b3 Kg8
33.e5 Bb4 34.a3 Bc5 35.Kg4
Bxa3 36.Rxa5 Bb4 37.Ra8+ Kg7
38.h6# 1-0
This one looks like a wrestling match! Rush to mate.
[White "DeepBlade"]
[Black "NN"]
[BlackElo "1655"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Event "InstantChess"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4
cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6
6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bxd7+ Qxd7 8.Bg5
Bg7 9.f4 O-O 10.h4 h5 11.Qd2
Nc6 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Bxf6
Bxf6 14.e5 Bg7 15.O-O-O Rab8
16.Rdf1 d5 17.f5 Qb7 18.b3 Bxe5
19.fxg6 Qb4 20.gxf7+ Rxf7
21.Qg5+ Kf8 22.Qxe5 Qa3+ 23.Kb1
Rb5 24.Qh8# 1-0 |
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| Jun-30-06 |
| blingice: <e4Newman> Yeah, I see 3. Bc4 a lot on FICS. Probably 4 out of 7 games when I play 2..d6. |
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Aug-02-06
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| gambitfan: I also often meet with 3 Bc4...
Right now in a current internet game...
Seems quite easy to ply for Black, doesn't it ? |
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Aug-02-06
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| gambitfan: You can see there : A Timofeev vs Kasparov, 2004 how Kasparov deals with 3 Bc4 as Black... the "best" line : 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Nc6 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 ... |
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