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| Nov-06-07 |
| Samagonka: You just got to love the way the white king strides forward to back up his queen and seal the victory! To me, chess has a lot in common with how to deal with problems in real life, it is usually a question of mind over matter. Apply a little courage to a good strategy and you will prevail. Can't stop loving this game. |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| Manic: <eaglewing> 33.Rf4 perhaps? By the way I put <Sydro's> line into Fritz and it says black must play 31...Bc8 32.Ng5 Qxd7 giving about a +1.5 advantage to white, so yes it does seem to work. |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| DaveyL: Shredder eventually switched to moving the B back to b7 after 32. g4. The eval dropped from +4.40 to about +2.00 so 32. g4 still looks like the best move. |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| Tamerlan: What a game!!!!! |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| eaglewing: <Manic 33. Rf4>: Not convinced! 31.Kh2 Bc8 32.g4 Bb7 33. Rf4 allows Qxd7 34. (gh or Ng5) Qe7 35. ??? |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| eaglewing: 31.Kh2 Bc8 32.g4 Bb7 33. Rd3 hg 34. h5 gh and I see no mate attack continuation! |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| arnaud1959: I think in any case white must move his King to a safer place in order to progress, at least to free the Knight who protects g2. Amazingly the safest place seems to be h6! |
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| Nov-06-07 |
| eaglewing: Finally, I hope, regarding 31.Kh2 Bc8:
31.Kh2 Bc8 32. Ng5 (allows no switchback to Bb7 due to f3)
Bxd7 (Qxd7 Rxd7 and comparable) 33. g4:
A1) hg 34. h5 gh 35. Qh6
A2) hg 34. h5 "else" 35. h6
B1) Qc5 34. Rxd7 R/Qe7 "Take Rxe7"
B2) Qc5 34. Rxd7 hg 35. h5 and see A
B3) Qc5 34. Rxd7 "else (Qc6)" 35. gh (or xQ) "Qxd7" h6 C) Bc8 34. gh Bb7 35. f3 and wins Q at f3 or see A
D) "Rd8 and else" 34. gh and see A
This is in contrast to the citation of Short for being 31.Kh2 Bc8 32. g4 the continuation. See my earlier posts about 31.Kh2 Bc8 32.g4 Bb7. |
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Nov-06-07
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| sallom89: woah! amazing offensive king! |
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Nov-06-07
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| playground player: At first I thought Short was moving his King to be able to free his Knight to move without putting himself in danger of Black's Qxg2#. But in fact the King is being used here to administer a slow-moving but inexorable mate to Black's King. |
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Nov-06-07
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| suenteus po 147: <Sneaky> Thanks for your assessment of 18.b3! I found it instructive. |
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Nov-06-07
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| kevin86: There are many games with king hunts-there are many endgames with a king participating in the win. However,it is rare indeed that in a game with 23 pieces on the board that white's king comes up to aid the death blow on his rival. He will be the last known survivor. I know-it sounds like the 80s hit "Eye of the Tiger" . I meant it that way. |
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Nov-06-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: <syracrophy: I'm wondering when will chessgames.com include this game on the "Game of the Day" list. > By the time you posted your comment [5 days ago], this game was probably already Short-listed for GotD recognition. |
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Nov-06-07
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| Nasruddin Hodja: Not that I want to criticize Short's play, but guys, we should be aware that using the king as an offensive piece is a very well-known tactic, especially in games where the opponent's position is tied up. Take the two following classics: Tarrasch vs Reti, 1922
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Alekhine vs Yates, 1922
Short was probably aware of both of these games and this awareness probably helped him originate the plan of the king march starting with 31. Kh2. Chess games seldom repeat themselves, but they do often rhyme ;-) |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| HNP: "Short's Immortal Game" ? |
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Jan-28-08
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| Open Defence: <But the move that really made a huge impression on me when I first saw this game was 18.b3. > look how many moves the Black Queen wastes after that... wonderful! |
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| Apr-10-08 |
| tihoracio: This games carries one idea of... david janowsky!! (even before the game tarrasch-reti!).
When i was young i read a book from Muller who cited Janowsky -Subarev played in Ostende 1906 (i guess) and i remeber janowsky did the same march than short, but there were only a Q and R for either side. Could anyone track the entire game? |
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Apr-10-08
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| Karpova: <tihoracio>
It may not be of great help but Janowsky's opponent must have been Peter Petrovich Saburov (the son of Peter Alexandrovich Saburov) who lost his game against Janowsky at Ostende 1906. Winter writes:
<Nor was Saburov junior a prominent player. Although it was no disgrace to be defeated, at Ostend, 1906, by players of the calibre of Burn, Janowsky, Leonhardt, Bernstein, Blackburne and Důras, it was Saburov’s sombre distinction to be the only contestant of the 36 to finish without scoring even half a point. (His result was +0 =0 –9.) Finding impressive specimens of his play is not easy [...]>
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Now you know at least which player to look for. |
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| Apr-15-08 |
| tihoracio: Thanks for your help -karpova-, i would keep looking for that game, seems particulary difficult to find, but it links perfect with tarrasch-reti and short-timman, the same idea with the march of the king to the six rank. |
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Apr-15-08
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| RandomVisitor: After 29...Kg8:
click for larger view Rybkav2.3.2a.x64: 17-ply
1. (3.92): <30.Nh4> Ba8 31.Kh2 Rc8 32.f3 Qxd7 33.Rxd7 c5 34.Rd6 Bc6 35.Qg5 Bxa4 36.Rxb6 Rcd8 37.c3 Bc2 38.Qe7 Rd3 39.Qxc5 a4 40.Qa3 2. (3.08): 30.Qg5 Qxa4 31.Qh6 Qa1+ 32.Rd1 Qxd1+ 33.Rxd1 Bxf3 34.gxf3 Rd8 35.Rxd8 Rxd8 36.Qe3 Kg7 37.c5 a4 38.cxb6 Rd1+ 39.Kg2 cxb6 40.Qxb6 a3 41.Qa5 Ra1 42.Qc3 Ra2 43.Qb3 Ra1 44.c4 a2 |
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May-26-08
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| hedgeh0g: <Nasruddin Hodja>, it should be noted that Short began the march deep into the middlegame. The queens, all rooks, most pawns, and a couple of minor pieces were still on the board. While the classic games you posted are good examples of using the king aggressively, both marches take place in a later stage of the game when it is much safer to bring out the king. Using this tactic against a GM with so much material left on the board is something highly original and, in my opinion, Short deserves full credit for finding this amazing win. |
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| Oct-17-08 |
| ZIMMIE: wonderful game by nigel good enough to be called a bobby fischer game |
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| Dec-03-08 |
| WhiteRook48: How did Timnan not see that?? |
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| Jan-05-09 |
| WhiteRook48: "The king is a fighting piece..." if Steinitz had seen this game...wow. but I think Black should have played 33...Ra8 |
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| Feb-04-09 |
| WhiteRook48: seems like the king is hurtling through space |
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