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Jun-19-06
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| mack: <(1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d5)?> Wouldn't touch it to save my life. |
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| Jun-19-06 |
| Bartleby: Just seems to give up a pawn with no compensation. 4. Nxd5 and I'm not sure what Black hopes to accomplish. 3. ... e5 4. de Nc6 seems to be a better try, vaugely resembling a Nimzovitch Defence type postion with a K-side fianchetto. Not that I really think it's good either, but better than 3. ... d5. |
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Jun-19-06
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| Ziggurat: <Just seems to give up a pawn with no compensation. 4. Nxd5 and I'm not sure what Black hopes to accomplish.> The idea here is 4..c6 regaining the pawn. If White plays 4. exd5 instead, it becomes a true gambit. |
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| Jun-19-06 |
| RookFile: I seem to remember a book of Schiller's that talked about this. The opening is tricky: things are not what they seem at first glance. |
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Jun-19-06
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| Eric Schiller: A few comments:
1. I don't think that the 3...d5 move being discussed has much merit. I play 3...c5 in that position, followed by ...Qa5 (Pterodactyl). 2. ECO B06 is one of the worst ECO codes. It dumps in many different openings. When Chessgames gets the Caxton list implemented that problem will disappear. 3. I would never consider 3...d5 a "Robatsch". It doesn't follow the lines of play he was known for. 4. Computers are terrible at evaluating these openings, because the pawn structures are too interesting in many cases. |
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Jun-22-06
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| fromoort: Here is an OTB game (30 min for the whole game) that I won yesterday using the Modern Defense. I welcome comments and constructive criticism. 1. e4 g6
2. d4 Bg7
3. Nf3 d6
4. Nc3 a6
5. Be3 e6
6. Bc4 Ne7
7. Qd2 h6
8. O-O-O Nd7
9. g4 b5
10. Bd3 Bb7
11. g5 h5
12. a3 Rc8
13. Rhg1 c5
14. dxc5 Nxc5
15. Bxc5 Rxc5
16. b4 (??) Rxc3
17. Qe2 O-O
18. Nd2 Rxa3
19. Nb1 Ra2
20. Kd2 Nc6
21. Nc3 Nd4
22. Qe3 Nb3+
0-1
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| Jul-01-06 |
| Greginctw: <I've just posted a big introduction to the Pterodactyl Systems: http://chesscountry.com/article_sho...
Learn about this exciting modern opening!
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Im not sure if you mention it in at that article but something i frequently had to play in amateur games was 1. e4 g6
2. d4 bg7
3. nf3 c5
4. d5
In my opinion having played this position from the black side alot of times, the position is advantageous for white especially since black needs to be incredibly accurate(and who below grandmaster level is) in order to not be crushed). Basically I found it to be a hard to play position. |
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Jul-01-06
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| Eric Schiller: <Greginctw> After 4...d6 play heads to a Schmid Benoni, where Black can be a little cramped. Still, after 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Be2 O-O 7.O-O Bg4 White hasn't any significant theoretical advantage, though the position is tough to play and White usually scores well.
click for larger viewHere is an example of a Black win, somehow missing from the database: [Event "Memorial J.Capablanca"]
[Site "Habana (Cuba)"]
[Date "1968"]
[Round ""]
[White "O'Kelly de Galway Alberic (BEL)"]
[Black "Stein Leonid Z (UKR)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "A43"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
1.Nf3 g6 2.e4 c5 3.d4 Bg7 4.d5 d6 5.Be2 Nf6 6.Nc3 O-O 7.O-O Bg4
8.Bg5 Bxf3 9.Bxf3 Nbd7 10.Be2 Rc8 11.Re1 c4 12.a4 a6 13.Bf1 b6
14.g3 Rc7 15.Bg2 Nc5 16.Be3 Qb8 17.Bd4 b5 18.e5 Ne8 19.axb5 axb5
20.Ra5 dxe5 21.Rxb5 Qa7 22.Bxe5 Bxe5 23.Rxe5 Nd6 24.Qe1 Ra8 25.Rb4
Qa5 26.Nd1 Na6 27.c3 Nxb4 28.cxb4 Qb6 29.Rxe7 Rxe7 0-1 |
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Jul-19-06
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| melianis: Two questions:
Which do you all prefer in c-file against Robatsch ? Nc3, c3, c4 ?Is there some line with Bb2 to oppose the Bg7 (not that it's needed, just general curiosity))? |
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| Aug-12-06 |
| WTHarvey: Here are some puzzles from Robatsch miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/b06.html |
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| Nov-22-06 |
| Kriegspiel: Note to self:
Here are recent Robatsch stats by year over the last four years, using games found in this database catalogued under B06. They look *good* for BLACK. 2003 2004 2005 2006(ytd)
---- ---- ---- ----
54B 77B 105B 103B
56W 86W 114W 153W
87D 56D 87D 81D
Percentages (won games by side):
2003 2004 2005 2006(ytd)
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35.8(B) 35.2 34.3 30.6
37.1(W) 39.3 37.3 45.4
For each of the years 2003-2005 Black is nearly at parity with White regarding won game percentages. 2006 has seen a nosedive in Black win rates. Any or all of these statistics could be interpreted as an artifact of the selection and/or classification of games included in this database. Kriegspiel
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| Nov-22-06 |
| Kriegspiel: Note to self:
After 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 consider playing 4...b6. After Bb5 Black can play ...a6 to drive the bishop off the diagonal with tempo (Ba4?? ...b5 Bb3 ...c4 wins the bishop). If then ...d6, permitting Bb5 with check, Black can now force the White bishop to retreat from the diagonal if White does not exchange bishops on d7. After this, my early inclination is to ...e6 followed by ...Ne7 before either side opens the position, with ...o-o now possible. Kriegspiel
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| Jan-06-07 |
| Kwesi: Here's one way of playing against the Robatsch - I quite like this 'Scholar's Mate' treatment... Site: FICS
White: kwesiquest
Black: some guest
1. e4 g6
2. d4 Bg7
3. Bc4 d6
4. Qf3 e6
5. Ne2 Nf6
6. Nbc3 O-O
7. Bg5 Qd7
8. Rd1 a6
9. e5 Ne8
10. Ne4 d5
11. Nc5 Qc6
12. Bb3 b6
13. Nd3 f6
14. Nb4 Qd7
15. Nxd5 fxg5
16. Nf6+ Nxf6
17. Qxa8 Nc6
18. exf6 Bxf6
19. d5 exd5
20. Bxd5+ Kg7
21. Qxc6 Qxc6
22. Bxc6 Bxb2
23. O-O
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May-09-07
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| matiz: Opening of the day. never play it maybe i will try it. but i did not understand the pirc. and this one has a lot of similarity to the pirc. hummmm well only one way is by playing it. :) |
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May-10-07
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| Eric Schiller: <matiz> 1...g6 does not define a "Robatsch Opening" It is just the gateway to dozens of different openings, spread over many ECO codes. Robatsch played it in certain ways that might deserve the name, but calling all 1...g6 games the "Robatsch" is just absurd. |
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May-10-07
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| matiz: < Eric Schiller > your so right. thanks you. Never thought about it that way. Until now :) |
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Aug-08-07
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| mack: 'Rats are interesting because we fear them.' - Edward B. Germain, introduction to 'English and American Surrealist Poetry' (1977). |
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Oct-14-07
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| refutor: i'm reading hillarp-person's book on the modern and v. 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 he recommends sticking to the averbakh (3. ...d6 4.Nc3 e5) and avoiding the king's indian (4. ...Nf6). of course he is writing a repertoire book ;) how do the local "modern" players play against 3.c4? |
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Jan-26-08
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| just a kid: I just recently played a game starting with 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5?! It's the first timeled I played it,and I was behind a pawn for about 20 moves.The equalizer was White's tripled pawns!Then it was just doubled pawns,but then I doubled his f-pawns.By the way the rest of the move order was 4.dxc5 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 Qa5.I'll try to get the game if I can,and hopefully I can have success with this in future tournaments. |
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| Feb-20-08 |
| independentthinker: Guys,
I play the a6, b5, Bb7 version of the modern and rarely lose now - but my results with white are terrible!! Any ideas on a 'white version' of the Robatsch/modern? All comments welcome.
-Mike (www.myspace.com/thechesskid) |
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Feb-20-08
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| Tomlinsky: <independentthinker> Have you looked at Reti, Nimzo/Larsen, English setups and ideas? |
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| Feb-20-08 |
| independentthinker: No I haven't. What I like about Robatch/Modern is that I have time to co-ordinate my pieces and go into the middlegame at my own leisure. That is what I am looking for from a White opening. I noted the English is favoured by Karpov whose style makes a lot of sense to me, so maybe this is the way forward. What books/DVDs would you recommend to master this? Thanks,
-Mike (www.myspace.com/thechesskid)
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Feb-20-08
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| Tomlinsky: <independentthinker> The English sounds right up your alley then maybe. It's a long time since I have bought any literature on the opening but have played it for many years. Its positional character and transposing possibilities are fascinating and makes it as much about structures and creativity as the hard lines of many setups.
There are certain concrete lines and ideas that require, imo, dipping into Reti and Nimzo structures via transposition if you want to keep the English flavour of your setups. This may not be apparent at first and I would just start with symmetrical and reversed sicilian ideas before it becomes apparent why that should be so. There may be no need as it's a taste thing with the various opponents responses. Some are happy give Black a KID, for example, while others like to keep things English. It's very flexible. I borrowed a copy of Tony Kosten's 'Dynamic English' a few years back and thought it very good. It centres on a Botvinnik setup repertoire which I personally don't play much but they are as good a starting point as any it seems to me. If you do then migrate to other flavours it isn't wasted know how as many overall ideas converge anyway. Karpov has, I believe, just bought out a book on the English but I haven't seen it yet. |
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| Feb-20-08 |
| independentthinker: sounds perfect - thank you for your recommendation. |
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| Feb-21-08 |
| independentthinker: btw - what about the King's Indian Attack - someone else recommended that. |
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