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| Apr-28-06 |
| euripides: <Gansta> e5 is viable against most of the main lines viz. the classical (1d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 0-0 6 Be2 e5 7 0-0), the fianchetto (3g3) and the Saemisch (5f3). The main two cases where it may be dodgy - for tactical reasons - are an early Bg5 (e.g. the Averbakh 5Be2 and 6 Bg5) and the 4 pawns' attack (5 f4). When e5 is played Black aims either for exd4 with play on the e file and the long black diagonal, or for play on the king's side after white plays d5 and he (after some preparation) replies with f5 and often a fierce attack. Nc6 is typically played to provoke d5 as in the classical (7...Nc6) where the knight usually goes to e7 and in some lines (the Panno) against the fianchetto or the Saemisch where the knight aims for a5. 7..Nd7 is a little less active but is acceptable in most lines and is best with some set ups (e.g. the Byrne set where Black plays c6 and a6 against the fianchetto or Saemisch). c5 by Black is normal against the early Bg5 or f4, and quite frequent against the fianchetto. It would typically aim for play on the long diagonal. If played in the wrong circumstance Black can get crushed with d5 and e5. Finaliy Black sometimes plays e5 and after d5 also plays c5 to slow down White's queen's side play. In general Black has a wide range of reasonable setups in all these variations and it's a qustion of finding a setup that you enjoy playing. |
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| ganstaman: <euripides> Thanks. I hope to start playing this opening more, and it really helps to have some basic idea of what to do. So far, I've only played the KID twice. Once was accidental when I just waited too long to put pawns in the center when playing against the English opening. I was getting cramped and crushed (I played ...e5 against an early Bg5), but then my counter attack was strong, and if I didn't chicken out of a key combination, I would have won. The second time things went better, until I dropped a knight, and then a rook, and was then forced to trade down. I resigned before I got fully caught up in the mating net of his 2 knights and rook that sat dangerously close to my king. Hopefully now I will survive longer, and maybe even win. |
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| May-27-06 |
| WTHarvey: Here are 10 traps and zaps in E60 King's Indian miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/e60.html What's the best move? |
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| Jun-17-06 |
| marn0: Can someone who plays the KID tell me: what characterizes the main variations and at what point in the game do you know which one you are playing, whether Saemish, Classical, 4-pawn, etc.? And aren't the variations mainly determined by WHITE? |
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| Jun-19-06 |
| JoshuaJ8588: <marn0> yes the variations are determined by white, but you know when you are in the following variations according the the following moves: All begin after d4 nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 and now the variations can begin to branch off: 5. f3 is the Samisch Variation
5. Nf3 followed by a 0-0 by Black is the classical variation 5.f4 is the signal of the 4 pawns attack
5.Bg5 is the indication of the Averbakh Variation
If you are really considering playing the KID, I strongly recommend that you start with Starting Out:The King's Indian by Joseph Gallagher as an excellent introduction, then as you play games and become more familiar with it, pick up Bronstein on the King's Indian and the latest King's Indian Battle Plans by IM Andrew Martin |
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| Aug-14-06 |
| alphastrike20: is the king's indian still safe to play and win at the super grandmaster level? |
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| Aug-14-06 |
| NateDawg: <alphastrike20> Yes. Many Grandmasters use the King's Indian Defense as Black. In fact, Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov used the KID as the their primary defense to the Queen's Pawn Opening. Fishcer won 41% of his games as Black with it (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...), while Kasparov achieved victory 39% of the the time with it (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...). Many GM's like it because of the sharp, unbalanced positions it creates, in which both sides have changes for victory. |
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| Nov-17-06 |
| netlava: Many grandmasters HAVE used the KID in the past, but not too much anymore. Kasparov has said that the KID isn't solid enough. |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| duffer: I've been thinking about getting Bronstein's book on the KID but Jeremy Silman thought it was horrible. Can anyone attest to this? And how about Gallagher's recent book? |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| alphastrike20: I have been looking for solid defences and I just wanted to know if it was suicide to play the king's indian against master opposition. A position that I find myself to be in. |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| Shajmaty: <alphastrike20: I have been looking for solid defences and I just wanted to know if it was suicide to play the king's indian against master opposition.> Yes, it IS SUICIDE to play the KID against "master opposition". Something solid? Try the NID (Nimzo Indian Defence) or even the QGD (Queen's Gambit Declined). If U feel like U have to play Bg7, better try Benko or Grunfeld than KID, definitely. |
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Dec-10-06
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| who: <duffer: ...And how about Gallagher's recent book?> I thought it was total garbage. He gives you a couple of lines and doesn't explain what's going on and doesn't give enough variations. What a waste of money! |
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| who: <Shajmaty> I think the Gruenfeld has a worse rap than does the KID. |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| duffer: <who> Silman says Bronstein doesn't give enough variations! What's going on here!? Is there no definitive book on the KID? |
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| who: I don't know if there is one. If you're good enough I imagine you could find one with just loads of variations and that might be helpful, but for those of us who need explanations it's very hard to find good books on openings. But, for pretty much any level I think Gallagher's book stinks. |
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Dec-10-06
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| acirce: What is Gallagher's recent book? I have "Starting out: the King's Indian" as well as the more advanced sequel "Play the King's Indian" and find them both great. |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| duffer: The book in question is "Play the King's Indian."
<acirce> Can you elaborate why you think it's great? |
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| Dec-10-06 |
| unsound: Re: Bronstein on the King's Indian. I've got that book. It doesn't really give any variations at all--but that seems a strange reason to criticize it (I haven't read Silman's review, though). It's intended not as a guide to variations but as a kind of education on themes that crop up in the King's Indian. It gives, for example, a series of moves often played for each side, instead of giving specific move orders. It also has a series of instructive puzzles ("is e7-e5 possible?," for example, in a set of different cases with different tactical features). And it gives annotated games divided by setups "white castles queenside"; "white closes the center with d4-d5", etc.). Basically, if you want specific variations, the book would indeed be hopeless--it's far from a systematic introduction, or "definitive guide." If you want to learn something about the positions that arise out of the King's Indian, though, it's worth having. |
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| Dec-11-06 |
| euripides: Another good book is Andrew Martin's 'King's Indian: winning plans'. It's put together in a rather disorganised way but has an enormous amount of material and, rather than providing a single repertoire, gives the reader a very broad range of ideas to try for either side. Martin's assessments are candid and I find his occasional self-contradictions quite stimulating. |
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| Dec-11-06 |
| euripides: ... perhaps it's 'battle plans' - it has an idiotic picture of a fantasy warroom on the cover. Fortunately the book's packaging is not its strongest side. |
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Dec-11-06
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| who: <duffer> sorry. I was talking about starting out the KI. <acirce> I'm surprised you like it. |
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| acirce: <duffer> It's nothing all that extraordinary about it, it's just that it does a very good job explaining all the various ideas in the opening and offers a fine repertoire illustrated with nicely annotated games. I like it better than "Starting Out...". |
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| Dec-11-06 |
| duffer: Thanks, mate. I think I'll get Bronstein's book. He stresses ideas, which seem more important, over lines. |
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| Jun-27-07 |
| Kleve: I, for one, love playing through KID games the masters played... Fischer was a demon in this opening! I only wish we could see more of this one in high-level play. I'm bored to tears by the QID... |
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| Sep-18-08 |
| bujawi: is there anybody that can help me find games of the kings indian attack
anybody?
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