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Nov-24-06
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| MaxxLange: <HoopDreams> That looks fine if you are comfortable playing the so-called "Franco-Benoni" after 3.d5, usually (I think) followed by Nc3 (without c4) This is supposed to be dubious for Black, but it looks playable at club level to me. |
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| Nov-24-06 |
| zerathul: If u are a Sicilian player looking for a refutation of the Morra Gambit, this is the line for u 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 a6! 7. O-O Nf6 From now on, Black scores 60% or more in every sub-variation, in every database |
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| Nov-24-06 |
| jedrus07: Have a look at this line:
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6
6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6 8. Bg5 e6 9. Qe2 Be7 10. Rfd1 Qc7 11. Rac1 O-O 12. Bb3 h6
13. Bf4 e5 14. Be3 Qd8 15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. Bxd5 Bd7
Can you tell me any improvements for black play, because its morra and white stands better. |
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| Nov-24-06 |
| jedrus07: The upper message is the answer for zerathul msg about refutation (and follow his line) |
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| Nov-24-06 |
| zerathul: <jedrus07> sure i can ! with 8. Bg5 white is immediatly worse 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6
6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6 8. Bg5 e6 9. Qe2 h6 !
Black gets the initiative and he is a pawn up, White can play 10. Bh4 g5 11. Bg3 Nh5
Fritz 10 eval (-0.98) 16ply
10. Bf4 g5 11. Be3 Ng4
Fritz 10 eval (-0.42) 16ply
10. Be3 Ng4 11. Bd2 (if Bf4 g5 traspose to above) b5
Fritz 10 eval (-0.52) 16ply
10. Be2 Be7
Fritz 10 eval (-0.37) 16ply
10. Bxf6 Qxf6
Fritz 10 eval (-0.91) 16ply
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| Nov-24-06 |
| jedrus07: Thank you for your reaply- it was highly inspiring so i had to check by myself if there is any good variation for white... And in my opinion there is! Fritz rates 10. Bd2 as not so good move, but i see that in your variation it is like forced, so i decided to begin with this one, not caring what Fritz has to say... And after just 5 moves by white my Fritz thinks that the white, despite being down a pawn has enough recompansation. Have a look at this:
10. Bd2!? Be7 11. Rfd1 b5
12. Bb3 O-O 13. Bf4 Qc7 14. Rac1
I think this gambit is very complex and hard to evaluate even with Fritz at 16ply! :) |
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| Nov-24-06 |
| zerathul: 10. Bd2 Be7 11. Rfd1 b5
12. Bb3 Bb7 13. Bf4 g5 14. Be3 Ng4
black has strong center, control of dark squares, plan of playing b4 and still a pawn up the big problem with the 8.Bg5 line is that black can force white to swap his dark square bishop or to relegate it to d2 where it's passive and block the d-file, then he can easily take the initiative on the queenside don't assume black will castle too soon, experienced players don't do it if there is something better to do, expecially Najdorf players knows black king is generally happy in the center other lines i'm aware of in the 6. ...a6 variations are not expecially better for white, black at worse get a small plus |
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| Nov-26-06 |
| HoopDreams: thats why white isnt supposed to play 8. Bg5? but hold off developing to see which square to go to |
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| Nov-26-06 |
| HoopDreams: <zerathul> there is no known refuation for smith morra gambit |
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Nov-26-06
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| Manic: I agree with <HoopDreams>, I believe there is no known refutation but while this opening is very dangerous with black, I hear (it's only a rumour) that it is unsound with best play, but you have to be a GM to refute it. It works extremely well at club level. |
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| Nov-26-06 |
| euripides: One of Nigel Davies' columns on chesscafe gave quite a nice discussion of how a strong player can deal with White's threats in the Morra, but as far as I remember he agrees it's quite effective in club chess. Personally I prefer to send white back to the c3 Sicilian with Nf6. |
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| Dec-04-06 |
| zerathul: <HoopDreams> so post a line in the 6. ...a6 variation where white has some advantage |
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| Dec-31-06 |
| HoopDreams: <zerathul> 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 a6 7. Bg5 Nf6 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. 0-0 e6 10. Nd4 |
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| Dec-31-06 |
| HoopDreams: <euripides> yes this is the reason i dont play the smith morra anymore and play roman's grand prix attack instead....in almost all of my games people would never accept the gambit and it would get into c3 sicilian lines which i hated. I had studied lines on the smith morra so much from Hannes Langrocks new book but i never got to use them!! |
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| Jan-01-07 |
| HoopDreams: < Manic: I agree with <HoopDreams>, I believe there is no known refutation but while this opening is very dangerous with black, I hear (it's only a rumour) that it is unsound with best play, but you have to be a GM to refute it. It works extremely well at club level.> Smith Morra gambit is not unsound with best play, GMs cannot refute it |
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Mar-16-07
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| Holden: Opening of the day, Smith-Morra. I play SM as my only response to 1...c5 in 5 min blitz or less. I don't mind a transposition to Alapin, which I intend to learn more about. The Alapin is a different kind of game, though. |
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| Apr-06-07 |
| atripodi: Isn't 2.d4 pretty much busted by 2...d5? Is there a line that's suitable for white? |
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Apr-06-07
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| ganstaman: <atripodi: Isn't 2.d4 pretty much busted by 2...d5? Is there a line that's suitable for white?> Care to elaborate? I haven't heard of 1. e4 c5 2. d4 d5 yet, so I'd be mildly surprised if it's actually the 'refutation' of 2. d4. |
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| Apr-06-07 |
| atripodi: Woops, thats 2.f4, my mistake. |
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Apr-06-07
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| ganstaman: Oh, well then that would make sense.
However, 1. e4 c5 2. d4 d5 is a reversed Albin-Counter Gambit. I think it's good for white, but can certainly throw him off if he's not prepared, I'd imagine. I played a game today that went 1. e4 c5 2. f4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 and my opponent whipped out the odd looking 4. Bd3. I'm not sure of the motivation behind that move, if there was any, but I'm pretty sure it's the wrong way to play it. |
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| Apr-06-07 |
| Astardis: Why are 2. d4 and 2. f4 put together in one opening? Isn't it a hell of a difference whether I play one or the other? |
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Apr-06-07
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| ganstaman: <Astardis: Why are 2. d4 and 2. f4 put together in one opening?> They're put together in one ECO code. They certainly are different openings, but ECO codes are far from perfect. |
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May-16-07
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| refutor: gangstaman...1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Bd3 just gave you the best advanced caro-kann ever a terrible line in the advanced caro is 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Bd3 Bxd3 5.Qxd3 e6 6.f4. you've got all the advantages of that line, but in addition you've played ...c5 in one move instead of two |
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May-21-08
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| kellmano: <atripodi: Isn't 2.d4 pretty much busted by 2...d5? Is there a line that's suitable for white?> There's certainlly this one:
Deming vs Cornell, 1980
Seriously though, the position you menetion only appears seven times in the database here and has a bad score for black. A nice thing about this website is the way you can respond to questions over a year later. |
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| May-21-08 |
| Zygalski: Zerathul:
<If u are a Sicilian player looking for a refutation of the Morra Gambit, this is the line for u1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 a6! 7. O-O Nf6 From now on, Black scores 60% or more in every sub-variation, in every database> 7.0-0? is slightly wrong in this variation.
I think 7.Bg5! is better, for instance; 7...Nf6 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.0-0 e6 10.Nd4! Gives White reasonable play & at worst is probably equal.
Chessbase gives this:
P=13
1-0=5
0-1=5
1/2-1/2=3
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