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May-26-08
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| Red October: so maybe there is truth in the saying (Janowski?) All well played games end in the middle game... |
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May-26-08 |
| RookFile: I guess the article implies that Steinitz became anti-semitic near the end of his life. |
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May-26-08
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| keypusher: In case anyone is wondering about the "Kniepp cure." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kneipp...
<RookFile: I guess the article implies that Steinitz became anti-semitic near the end of his life.> We would have to look at his pamphlet for that.
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May-26-08
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| percyblakeney: Considering the circumstances this could be one of Steinitz's more impressive results: http://www.worldchesslinks.net/ezqa... |
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May-27-08
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| brankat: <keypusher> <We would have to look at his pamphlet for that.> You mean the non-existing one? Spoken like a lawyer :-) <PercyB> <Considering the circumstances this could be one of Steinitz's more impressive results:> Impressive indeed. A great fighter until the end! |
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May-27-08
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| keypusher: <brankat> It appears that one copy was retained, and apparently examined by the obit writer. <The pamphlet had been returned from the printers and he was about to arrange for its general circulation when he became so demented that his wife had him committed. The pamphlets, with the exception of one copy, were destroyed by his family. This pamphlet contains some twenty pages. The title page reads:“My advertisement to Anti-Semites in Vienna and Elsewhere: by ‘A Schacher June.’ (Mercenary Jew:) or An Essay on Capital, Labor, and Charity.”> June? Anyway, if I had to guess I would say that the pamphlet was not anti-Semitic and the reference to "a Mercenary Jew" was sarcastic. But it would be interesting to see. |
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May-27-08
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| percyblakeney: <Steinitz attributed anti-Semitism to many of his enemies in the chess world and at one time he began to write a book on Jews in chess which he claimed was for the purpose of "confounding the anti-Semites."> http://www.jewishjournal.org/archiv... |
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Jun-28-08
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| whiteshark: Quote of the Day
< Fame, I have already. Now I need the money. > -- Steinitz
Me, too, if it's any comfort to you. :D |
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Jun-28-08
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| BishopBerkeley: I notice that Google Books has made the entire text of Herr Steinitz's book "The Modern Chess Instructor" (in English) available online: http://tinyurl.com/6b33x5
It may be downloaded for free as a PDF file -- it is in the public domain. (If you are interested in such historic works, you might also see my posting of this same date on the Adolf Anderssen board.) Best wishes to all!
(: Bishop Berkeley :)
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Jun-28-08
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| paulalbert: I downloaded and did a quick read of certain parts of this historic book, not one I have in my chess book collection. On page xvii and xxiv discussing the movement of Pawns and the Queening,i.e. promotion of Pawns, he mentions the acceptability of refusing any promotion, where a player could save the game by not promoting, and shows a position where the idea is relevant. He points out that refusal of promotion is highly unlikely to be relevant in most practical play. It set me to wondering, do modern rules still permit this? I always thought one was compelled to promote! Anybody know the answer off hand? In the meantime I'm looking for an official rulebook to see if this is explicitly discussed. Paul Albert |
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Jun-28-08
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| Calli: <paul> Today, you must promote. In fact, I thought the rule change predated the Steinitz book (1889), but I don't know the details. |
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Jun-28-08
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| paulalbert: <Calli> Thanks.My instinct was right, but I didn't realize it had ever been different. Fide 5.6(d) of the chess laws covering the Pawn reaching the last rank starts as follows: "On reaching the last rank, a pawn must immediately be exchanged, ....etc." No doubt that the refusal of promotion idea no longer exists, however, it is an interesting historical wrinkle. One learns something new every day! Paul Albert |
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Jun-28-08
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| Calli: A while back there was an article about Italian chess which was played under different rules in the 19th century. Was quite surprised to know that the rules were less codified and more local than I thought. http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skitt... |
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Jun-28-08
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| paulalbert: Steinitz in his discussion of the promotion refusal idea we were talking about mentions the suspended or dummy pawn in the Italian rules which is explained in the Chesscafe article. Paul Albert |
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Jun-28-08
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| BishopBerkeley: A very interesting discussion indeed! Thanks to <paulalbert> and <Calli> for sharing. In François André Philidor 's 1813 presentation of the rules of Chess, we find: "When a Pawn has been pushed forward into the adversary's royal line, it may be exchanged for the Queen, or any other Piece *lost* in the preceding part of the game. As soon as a Pawn reaches any square on that line, it is to be taken off, and the Piece chosen placed on the square where it stood..." [p.3, here]: http://sbchess.sinfree.net/a_eigc2....
There are a number of ways to read this! Must a "Piece" have been lost earlier in the game to be exchangeable for a "royal" Pawn? I think that would be the most natural reading of this. We read that the Pawn *may* be exchanged, not that it *must* be exchanged, yet we are told that it "is to be taken off" -- here again, ambiguity. Here are Philidor's rules:
http://sbchess.sinfree.net/EI_index...
As a partly-relevant aside, I note Philidor's point-valuation of the pieces: http://sbchess.sinfree.net/a_eigc4....
Pawn: 3.75 ("3 3/4")
Knight: 9.25
Bishop: 9.75
Rook: 15
Queen: 23.75
King (in the attack or defense): 6.5
King ("from the principle of the game"): "invaluable";
Pawn, if it did not have the power of promotion: 2
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Jun-28-08
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| BishopBerkeley: [continued from above]
Now, if we try to translate these values into modern valuations, we would divide each value by 3.75 in order to set the Pawn to a value of 1. Then we would have: Pawn: 1
Knight: 2.47
Bishop: 2.60
Rook: 4.00
Queen: 6.33
King (in the attack or defense): 1.73
King ("from the principle of the game"): "invaluable"; Pawn, if it did not have the power of promotion: 0.53 I hope I got the arithmetic right!
Somewhat different from the usual valuation (Pawn: 1, Knight/Bishop: 3, Rook: 5, Queen: 9, King: "invaluable") I seem to recall that Robert James Fischer placed the value of the Bishop at 3.25. One worthwhile observation about Philidor's valuation: he notes that the Pawn's value changes as it advances: it starts near 2 and increases to 3.75 as it approaches the "royal rank". Surely "dynamic valuation" of the pieces is more accurate than "static valuation"! All of this from <SBC>'s "Forgotten Philidor" page: http://sbchess.sinfree.net/forgotte...
One other modest rules variation: Chess enthusiast, student of Philidor's writings, and American founding father and 3rd President Thomas Jefferson learned the following from Benjamin Franklin: 1818. "When Dr. Franklin went to France on his revolutionary mission, his eminence as a philosopher, his venerable appearance, and the cause on which he was sent, rendered him extremely popular. For all ranks and conditions of men there, entered warmly into the American interest. He was therefore feasted and invited to all the court parties. At these he sometimes met the old Duchess of Bourbon, who being a chess player of about his force, they very generally played together. Happening once to put her king into prise, the Doctor took it. 'Ah,' says she, 'we do not take kings so.' 'We do in America,' says the Doctor. "At one of these parties, the emperor Joseph II, then at Paris, incog. under the title of Count Falkenstein, was overlooking the game, in silence, while the company was engaged in animated conversations on the American question. 'How happens it M. le Compte,' said the Duchess, 'that while we all feel so much interest in the cause of the Americans, you say nothing for them?' 'I am a king by trade,' said he." (TJ to Robert Welsh, enclosure, 4 December, Ford.12.109) http://www.monticello.org/reports/q...
Best wishes to all!
(: Bishop Berkeley :) |
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Jun-28-08
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| BishopBerkeley: (I note the following from <Calli>'s citation above, p.8): "Moving the new piece didn’t find acceptance in every part of Italy according to Adriano Chicco,
but Ponziani and del Rio allowed it in their books. Again from The War of
the Chessmen:
"A Pawn, upon reaching the eighth rank, takes the office of any of
its pieces already captured; and, if none have yet been captured,
remains suspended and without denomination until one is
captured (but may not become a Bishop on the same color of
squares as its companion, since this would contradict the
foundation of the game). Philidor rightly complains of his fellow-
Frenchmen, who in certain cities allow a simultaneous plurality
of Queens, so that as many Pawns as arrive on the last rank
become as many Queens, on the premise that equality of merit
should bring with it an equal reward...."
(: Bishop Berkeley :)
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Jul-08-08
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| Calli: To add to the documentation, there is an entry in Chess-Player's Handbook
By Howard Staunton 1872 edition:
"The regulation which enjoins a plurality of Queens is not, however,
by any means of general prevalence. In Italy, at the present day, the
Pawn, on reaching the 8th square, is replaced by a second Queen,
whether the former one is on the board or not; but this was not always
the case there, and according to Major Jaenisch, throughout the whole of
the North of Europe, in Russia, in Scandinavia, in Germany, as well as
in the classic Italian authors, Del Rio, Lolli, and Ponziani, the rule
obtains that a Pawn having reached the 8th square, is exchanged for a Piece from among those the player has lost. Two Queens, two Bishops of the
same colour, three Rooks, three Knights, are not permitted; and if a
player advances a Pawn to an extreme square of the board, it must
remain inactive till one of his Pieces is taken by the enemy, upon which
it instantly assumes the rank of that Piece, and is brought into action
again.--(See the Introductory Article on the Laws of the Game of Chess,
in the"Analyse Nonvelle," vol. i. p. 28.)"
I wonder if there are any chess problems with an "inactive" pawn on the eight rank awaiting an exchange in order to promote. Elsewhere Staunton states the rule for promotion:
"XXI. ,
Every Pawn .which has reached the eighth or last square
on the chess-board, must be immediately exchanged for a
Queen or any other Piece the player may think fit, even
though all the Pieces remain on the board. It follows, therefore,
that he may have two or more Queens, three or more
Rooks, Bishops, or Knights."
The pawn had to be immediately promoted according to British rules. |
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Aug-04-08
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| Joshka: I believe a Staunton/Morphy Match would have proven little. Staunton was over 25 years older. Steinitz/Morphy matches, now these would have been the best. These guys were the same age. It's a shame they never played. IMHO |
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Aug-04-08 |
| Petrosianic: Steinitz-Morphy would have proven equally little. Steinitz was nobody in the 1850's, while Morphy was long retired later on. |
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Aug-04-08 |
| RookFile: Well, think of it this way - Morphy went from zero to being the strongest player in America by the time he was 13. I don't think spending perhaps a year to get ready for Steinitz would have been a big deal for him, coming out of retirment. |
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Aug-04-08
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| Joshka: <Rookfile> Well I agree!..but no one ever seems to comment on this. It's always I read, that Staunton ducked Morphy....who cares??.......Steinitz is the guy who would have provided the best challenge to Paul. Also think of it this way, had Paul continued to play thru his 20's 30's and 40's...would we even be talking about how great Steinitz was? |
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Aug-04-08 |
| RookFile: I suspect that Steinitz would have found that his usual strategy of castling kingside and entombing the queen on b8 or a8 against the Evans Gambit wouldn't work out too well against Morphy. |
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Aug-05-08
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| who: I assume you say that because it didn't work out well against anyone else. |
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Aug-21-08
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| whiteshark: Quote of the Day
" Chess is a scientific game and its literature ought to be placed on the basis of the strictest truthfulness, which is the foundation of all scientific research. "
-- Steinitz |
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