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| Dec-03-06 |
| Bobak Zahmat: Didn't Greco ever played with the Black pieces? |
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Dec-03-06
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| Karpova: Well, he played with the black pieces (though all the games could have been made up for studies):
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Jan-01-07 |
| Dr.Lecter: I would actually like to see some of his games where he doesn't sacrifice any materials. Where he plays an ingenious positional game. |
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Jan-01-07
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| Open Defence: did they play positional games in the 1600s ? |
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Jan-01-07
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| Karpova: NN vs Greco, 1620
Greco vs NN, 1620
perhaps |
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| Jan-02-07 |
| Dr.Lecter: <Karpova> very smooth play by Greco. Thank you. |
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| Jan-31-07 |
| Dr.Lecter: This guy seems a bit conceited. He didn't keep a record of his losses! |
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| Jan-31-07 |
| laskereshevsky: GioaCChino..... |
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Feb-13-07
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| ianD: Surely these are merely composed games.
Most are attractive miniatures.
Are there any recoers of his games in Paris or London?? |
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| Feb-20-07 |
| AlexandraThess: <<AlexandraThess:Greco ,as shows his name, was a greek.There are still thousands of greeks living in Sicily and South Italy. The language which they use is called "greko"..>
<Karpova:Yes, and George Walker Bush is a plant, as shows his name.> > Quite an ignorant post, Karpova. I would advice you to read the following book: "From Byzantium to Italy: Greek Studies in the Italian Renaissance" by N.G. Wilson |
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| Feb-24-07 |
| SirBruce: I've been studying Greco recently. According to his book, his value for chess pieces are P=1 K=3.5 B=3.5 R=5 Q=11. I noted the following line in his Wikipedia bio:
"Greco loved to use the Sicilian Defence, which was invented by an Italian bishop." Well, Polerio may have named it, but he probably didn't invent it, and in any case, he wasn't a bishop. But what is the foundation for the association of Greco with the Sicilian? The vast majority of his games, he's white. I do have a few games (not listed here) where he plays black, and none of those are the Sicilian. Does anyone have a good source that says Greco played the Sicilian Defense? |
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Feb-27-07
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| whatthefat: <SirBruce: I've been studying Greco recently. According to his book, his value for chess pieces are P=1 K=3.5 B=3.5 R=5 Q=11.> That's fascinatingly close to the contemporary values. Here's a comparison between Greco's and Philidor's evaluations, each normalized by  =5, Piece ----- Greco ----- Philidor
--  --------- 1.0 --------- 0.7
--  --------- 3.5 --------- 3.1
--  --------- 3.5 --------- 3.3
-- --------- 5.0 --------- 5.0
--  -------- 11.0 -------- 7.9
Rather amusing that Philidor undervalued the pawn. |
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| May-19-07 |
| wolfmaster: Easy but cute puzzle,refutor.
1. Ra1+ Rf1
2. Rxf1+ Kxf1
3. Bh3! gxh3
and wrong color bishop ensures a draw. |
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| Jun-10-07 |
| IMDONE4: greco never lost a game? hmmm... methinks he should get a 3000 rating |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| lau7aro: Whats with Greco opponents?? They seem to play in favour of him! |
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| Sep-23-07 |
| NitrousPeak: More amusing that Philidor treated the Queen like it was barely much better compared to a rook, <whatthefat> |
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Feb-13-08
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| Knight13: Won all games, not even single draw. This guy's performance is well over 3200. |
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Feb-24-08
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| Knight13: I don't know if anybody else mentioned this, but Greco was the first guy to experiment with the "Bxh7+" sacrifice and actually beat somebody with it. |
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Feb-25-08
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| Gypsy: <Knight13> Greek gift sacrifice. |
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Mar-20-08
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| Karpova: According to Prof. Alessandro Sanvito, Greco died in 1630 (not 1634). Greco didn't travel to Rome before 1619. In 1621 he travelled to Nancy where he wrote a manuscript and then went to Paris where he beat the best players. With the money he earned through playing chess he travelled to London and also beat the strongest players there. During 1624/25 he stayed in France and then travelled to Spain where he beat Don Mariano Morano (he was from Naples). Greco returned to Naples but went to Spain again at the end of his life. He joined a journey of the Jesuits to proselytize in the Westindies where he seems to have died in 1630 already. Does anyone have Sanvito's book < I codici scacchistici di Giulio Cesare Polerio e Gioacchino Greco> to confirm this? |
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Jul-21-08
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| firefly3: How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him? It seems to me he got handed the games on a silver platter... and it also seems unlikely that so many miniatures would arise; |
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| Jul-21-08 |
| apple pi: <How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him?> We don't |
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Jul-21-08
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| Tomlinsky: <firefly3> They are generally accepted to be studies by Greco at the time, not games that were actually played. |
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Jul-21-08
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| keypusher: <firefly3: How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him? It seems to me he got handed the games on a silver platter... and it also seems unlikely that so many miniatures would arise;> What Tomlinsky and apple pi said. I think some of these "games" were just openings analysis, and others may have been real games that he prettied up a little bit. But the fact that so many were minatures doesn't prove that they weren't real; they could represent a small sample of Greco's total games. I am sure not all of Bill Wall's games are minatures... |
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Jul-29-08
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| awalters869: no doubt greco was a great player, but all of his "NN" games smack of being pre-arranged games...that is to say that these NN games never took place and they have the appearance of just being games where greco worked out both sides making the game look as impressive (and beautiful) as possible for white. |
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