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- namja23, on 07/23/2010, -2/+76This is the true trickle down effect in action.
Instead of hiring Americans who are suffering from the recession, they hire prison workers to get tax write-offs and nearly free labor. Corporations don't care about the community they are in, they are only concerned with profit and competition. Cheaper labor in 3rd world countries, we'll outsource our jobs. Scream and scream for the government to stay out of their business, but when they go bankrupt, they are the first ones standing in line for help from said government. Cause a major eco-disaster in a region, instead of hiring people from that region who are suffering from the disaster, hire inmates instead. - juliusthecat, on 07/23/2010, -2/+32That and prisoners are about the only people they can get to clean tar balls off the beach for less than minimum wage. Also, let us not forget how fing corrupt Louisiana's government is. A local LA politician or two is making a dump truck full of money because of this.
- eliseville, on 07/24/2010, -2/+28Inmates lose any "points" already earned if they ever refuse any job. So these guys, that may or may not realize how toxic and unprotected this work is, can't easily say no. They also don't have the same rights to sue as other people do when they might be really sick or dying later on. A lot of the workers up in Alaska that "cleaned up" after the Exxon Valdez got sick and many of them died already.
- digitalArtform, on 07/24/2010, -4/+29Then why are they relying on Government to provide slave labor instead of engaging in Capitalism?
- Demener, on 07/23/2010, -1/+22They're dealing with toxic chemicals.
You don't want to fatigue and collapse in that sort of environment.
Also you can't spend extended amounts of time being exposed to the oil. - thallium205, on 07/24/2010, -1/+17Does this remind anyone else of Shawshank Redemption where the warden was making a killing contracting the prisoners to various service projects?
- IreneAttolia, on 07/24/2010, -1/+17I've seen prisoner work programs in practice for over six years. I've met and gotten to know some of the men who participate. I've been able to see the person behind the standard issue orange shirt, and how this program affects them, and builds their sense of worth as a contributing member of society, whether they were collecting garbage, painting city buildings, doing electrical repair work, mowing lawns, trimming the verge, or fixing bikes for kids. I fully support the idea of putting prisoners to work. First of all, work takes people off the dole - and that includes the emotional and social dole. We all know prisoners are 100% financial wards of the state. The article made it sound like it was somehow offensive that these men are out there, working on beach cleanup. A good honest day's labor is a potent therapeutic, builds strong muscles, increases oxygen efficiency/ cardio-vascular health, the sunlight decreases vitamin D deficiency (a known cause of depression). They earn a little pocket money, and are allowed to feel a sense of accomplishment for qualifying for the program, and for their daily job well done, and continued qualification for participation. These men are allowed to feel like productive citizens again. That it saves money is not the point at all. Work is empowering, in the right sort of way. Maybe those (like the author) who are offended at prisoners working have actually concluded that these productive and able bodied citizens are actually better off in a cage, moldering away their time, rotting their brains playing video games or watching TV, all on their tax dollars.
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FTA: Captain Zeringue says that inmates are glad for any opportunity they can get, and see work release jobs as a step up, a headstart on re-entry. "Our work release inmates are shipped to centers around the state according to employer demand," he explains, describing the different types of skilled and unskilled labor. "I have carpenters, guys riding on the back of the trash trucks, guys working offshore on the oil rigs, doing welding, cooking. Employers like them because they are guaranteed a worker who's on time, drug-free, and sober."
"And," he adds, "because they do get a tax break." - nygenxer, on 07/24/2010, -1/+15Other uses of prisoners: customer service calls for airlines, electronics manufacture...
"Many corporations, whose products we consume on a daily basis, have learned that prison labor can be as profitable as using sweatshop labor in developing nations. You might have had a first-hand experience with a prison laborer if you have ever booked a flight on Trans World Airlines, since many of the workers making the phone reservations are prisoners. Other companies that use prison labor are Chevron, IBM, Motorola, Compaq, Texas Instruments, Honeywell, Microsoft, Victoria's Secret and Boeing. Federal prisons operate under the trade name Unicor and use their prisoners to make everything from lawn furniture to congressional desks. Their Web site proudly displays 'where the government shops first.'"
http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/SlaveL ...
http://www.wpi.edu/News/TechNews/010327/prisonlabo ... - allisonaxe, on 07/24/2010, -1/+9They could at least attempt to look like good corporate citizens and hire some of the people whose jobs they destroyed.
- pintomp3, on 07/24/2010, -2/+9The spill was caused by safety regulations?
- marx2k, on 07/24/2010, -1/+7in that they were not followed
- CaptOblivious, on 07/24/2010, -5/+10@ digitalArtform,
Well played. - creationismlol, on 07/24/2010, -1/+6probably because they stand a good chance of getting cancer from the cleanup, whereas fishing would be not so much. Then there's the issue of losing the ability to fish for a decade or so. So yeah, I think "double dipping" might not be wildly immoral.
- ripple123, on 07/24/2010, -1/+6this is a case in point of why if they make slaves of some of us, they make slaves of all of us. prisoners shouldnt be used to erode workers rights and minimum wage laws.
- jsinghur, on 07/24/2010, -0/+5yes, since buying gas somewhere else and continue with the petroleum based dependency will ever help this planet. how about we actually look into modes of mass transit instead of being the stuck up, arrogant nation we are. (i completely include myself in that.)
- Archades54, on 07/24/2010, -0/+4Gotta love when it's profitable to have prisoners. Kinda scary though.
- n00tit00ti, on 07/24/2010, -2/+6Anybody want to tell these inmates that all of the clean up workers from Exxon Valdez are dead. I guess these inmates didn't know they got a death sentence. But I guess dead bodies don't matter because it's all about the dollar billz yo!
- deusexmachina7, on 07/24/2010, -1/+5This actually works for the fisherman, too. If the fishermen help with cleanup efforts, any money they make is subtracted from their claim.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_oil_spill_feinberg
There's really no incentive for them to bother with the cleanup effort. - danc256, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3Per this story, *any* use of inmate labor can take a negative spin, because it deprives others of a potential income. They could have just as easily spun this story as "inmates pay their debt to society by cleaning the worst oil spill in history". Seriously, if you have a choice of labor and they are in your eyes equivalent, who wouldn't take the cheapest source possible?
What I do have a problem with:
- Double dipping: Getting paid to provide private jail services, then getting paid to use the prisoners however you see fit.
- The workers seem ill-prepared for the hazards of this particular job (that they are prisoners is irrelevant). - marx2k, on 07/24/2010, -5/+8I love it when people hate on safety regulations when it comes to cleaning up nightmare catastrophes caused by safety regulations.
- nygenxer, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3Which says nothing of the for-profit prison system itself, since many prisons are privately owned. I'm sure it's a coincidence that we also have the most non-violent offenders incarcerated per capita in the world.
The Grand Wizard of the KKK never thought of a better plan: politically-connected rich men build the prisons paid for with gubmint tax dollars to incarcerate mostly black men (at a profit) and then put them to work as virtual slaves (at a profit) for our politically-connected corporations to make a profit. The only losers are the American taxpayer, the US Constitution, the families destroyed by locking up non violent offenders and the millions of unemployed Americans who must compete with domestic outsourcing for work. - jjuanml22, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3WHY the ***** is it wrong to make prisoners clean up this *****, thats what this country needs, to go back to the times when prisoners were forced to work, thats rehabilitation...we need to get inmates doing ***** jobs like this, its better than having them watching cable on their asses, ( and still pay the locals for damage) digg me down
- jsinghur, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3the media poisons everything. i have no idea why i even read the garbage put out by these biased idiots that never tell you the whole story. BP needs to clean the ***** up, end of story. we need to stop the offshore drilling and look into alternate power. trains are hybrids and have been for years, hell of a lot more relaxing than planes and costs a 1/4 of it.
frankly, i don't care who cleans this up. as long as it's done correctly. - badgerpoison, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3Pygmy was making a South Park reference
- IreneAttolia, on 07/24/2010, -0/+3@allisonaxe: Hire people like this guy, perhaps? I actually shed a tear when I read this story. Maybe it was the arthritic hands detail:
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His son was laid off from an oyster shucking factory shortly after the BP leak began. He's now walking door-to-door with a lawnmower, looking for grass to cut. The man holds his head in both arthritic hands. The waitress hands him a paper napkin to blot his eyes. I ask him if his son would work for BP in the cleanup and he grimaces. "Maybe, no, I don't think so," he says. "That would be hard for his pride, you know? For that little money? No." - Taiyoryu, on 07/24/2010, -0/+2FYI a for-profit penal system encourages laws and penalties to increase the prison population.
- googooly, on 07/24/2010, -6/+8I dont give a ***** who cleans it, just clean the *****
- squidie, on 07/24/2010, -3/+5Good idea
- BlacklabelSAR, on 07/25/2010, -0/+2This is what Corporatism looks like.
- fx666, on 07/24/2010, -1/+3I certainly would. But if BP find the way to somehow fix your brain, I might change my opinion about them.
- IreneAttolia, on 07/24/2010, -1/+3They're well covered. Every day they get new overalls, none are re-used: Workers wear protective chin-to-boot coveralls (made out of high-density polyethylene and manufactured by Dupont), taped to steel-toed boots covered in yellow plastic. They work twenty minutes on, forty minutes off, as per Occupational Safety and Health Administration safety rules.
The fatigue is similar to shoveling sand into a bag for twenty minutes, then resting for forty minutes. If you can imagine that, then you know what they are going through. I'm sure a shovel full of sand can be quite heavy. - r0g3r, on 07/24/2010, -0/+2Regardless, their actions since the explosion have been despicable.
- Nevarius, on 07/24/2010, -0/+2Seems to be a common theme.
People bitch about regulation without knowing the reasons of the regulation and 'surprise surprise' ***** happens when they get their way. Oddly enough when the ***** hits the fan, their the first to bitch about the outcome and blame everyone else (look in the mirror dumb ass). - DerangedPenguin, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1Perfect example of the Obama Administrations belief in the trickle up economics model. By employing the very poorest you help the community. Who could be more bottom of the pile than convicts and chain gangs.
- aforsberg, on 07/24/2010, -1/+2This is reminiscent of Warden Norton's scam in The Shawshank Redemption. Actually, not really. He was underbidding everyone with his prison labor and taking their bribes to give them the jobs back. This isn't WRONG so much as really slimy. No pun intended.
- its420somewhere, on 07/24/2010, -2/+3This is ironic since regular folks just looking for work out there were not allowed to continue working to clean up the spill because of prior criminal records.
- InactiveUser, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1Sorry but...
*****! - hereticoftruth, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1BP is not helping those inmates at all. They are putting their lives in danger and they are being paid a pittance if anything.
- mavsmav, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1my bad never watched south park
- SecretRussian, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1It already failed. http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/ ...
The oil was too thinned out by BP's dispersants to work properly. - xdevit, on 07/24/2010, -5/+6Sorry but I don't see the issue here..
BP is helping these inmates.. and im sure they are getting paid more than what they get in jail, not to mention giving back for the crimes they committed.
And yes its cheaper than contracting it out to some company / group that would like to suck as much money out of BP.. Blackwater anyone? There is also less risk.. I know that sounds bad but its one of those sad but trues..
There is also a less likely hood of an inmate trying to sabotage the clean up to take out BP... Sorry but there are people that want to block cleanup so that it makes BP go down. Search alittle about that pipe bomb down in Texas that at first seemed like its was BP related, there were alot of people, i wont say cheering for it but they were not on BP's side..
Seriously, going by the media and what some of you and others say it really does seem like you do not want BP doing anything to fix this. - fx666, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1
The best way to clean this ***** is to hire super-tankers to skim the Ocean surface. No, it is not my idea -- it was tried very successfully in the Persian Gulf after another oil spill 20 years ago. According to the reports, 80% of the oil was removed from the Gulf. Now, a super- tanker from Taiwan passed the test, and BP had said they will hire its crew and the vessel for their clean-up. But that was before the test (there was a delay in testing the tanker due to bad weather.) The BP scum promised to hire the tanker, and at the same time they were hoping that the tanker flunks the test. But it passed the test with flying colors. The BP convinced the Coast Guard that there is too many small skimmers in the area, so the tanker will interfere with their activities. The irony is that the tanker can do in two weeks what the small vessels id in two months. But the tanker clean-up is very expensive, and the BP brass had no intention of hiring it on the first place - denizen42, on 07/25/2010, -0/+1It's typical untamed capitalist culture, and it's getting old.
- BobFromReboot, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1A life sentence of dropping the soap will prepare a man for anything.
- mbradbury, on 07/25/2010, -0/+1Yeah bring back slavery
- indio007, on 07/25/2010, -0/+1Welcome to the reinstitution of slavery. Let's all pray none of us break one of the 5.1 million statutes on the books.
Columbia University tried to count every Federal Crime . That had to stop at 6000 because it was taking too long.
If no one broke a single statute there would be alot of unemployment and no one would be any safer.
We don't have to worry about our robot overlords, it's the books and the writing in them that control us. - TheSwashbuckler, on 07/25/2010, -0/+1BP, for that matter any large corporation, will never do what's right. It will only do the absolute minimum that the government forces it to do.
- pw378, on 07/24/2010, -0/+1Actually, slavery is perfect legal in the United States, but only as punishment for a crime.
Thirteenth Amendment:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. - BlacklabelSAR, on 07/25/2010, -0/+1Georgy, this is Basic Behavior Modification.
People or Persons need to be held accountable for their actions.
Corporations have been granted Personhood. Free Market baby, right?... - Show 51 - 72 of 72 discussions