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Apr-10-13		suenteus po 147: <Benzol> That is amazing! Wherever did you find the dates for the individual rounds?

Apr-10-13		HSOL: PhonyBenoni: Crosstables names, Lone Pine 1976. Given the other Tigran Petrosians in the database have only the initial and a dot "used" from the "second" name. Wouldn't it be normal to shorten Vartanovich to V. as a name in the database? And then I would see no problem with shortening to Tigran V. in the crosstable?

Apr-10-13		Phony Benoni: <HSOL> I make it a point to use the form of name established in the database. It might well be desirable to shorten that form to "Tigran V Petrosian". Indeed, I don't know if it's necessary to use middle names at all, unless the player generally uses it or if the middle name is needed to distinguish otherwise identical names. For instance, For instance, Robert James Fischer is needed because there are other Robert Fischers. But do we really need Walter Shawn Browne, Robert Eugene Byrne, William James Lombardy, or Vladimir Mikhailovich Liberzon? The middle name is valuable information, but could be restricted to the biography. For the player's name itself I would prefer the a shorter form, providing it is both recognizable and unique.

Apr-10-13		Tabanus: <PB: if the middle name is needed to distinguish otherwise identical names> It very often is! Or will be. I love middle names.

Apr-10-13		HSOL: Phony Benoni: That's why I suggested it should be changed to V. in the database, since I agree the name used in crosstables should be the same as in the player database if possible. I reckon middle names (or rather initials) should only be used if necessary to identify which player it is. As for the case of RJF, I reckon a case COULD be made for using Bobby Fischer instead since it is the name he is really known as.

Apr-10-13		Benzol: <suenteus po 147:> <<Benzol> That is amazing! Wherever did you find the dates for the individual rounds?> Paul Keres Photographs and Games is a very useful source. Unfortunately Keres didn't play in every USSR Ch. :)

Apr-10-13		Phony Benoni: Game Collection: Lone Pine 1973 and Game Collection: Lone Pine 1974 have been nominated. After a rough period, the last couple of shipments I've submitted have been processed quickly. Hope the rest of you are having the same experience.

Apr-11-13		brankat: There are very, very few languages that "allow" for a middle name. Meaning, it's not all that necessary. In case of Bobby F., it is not needed at all.

Apr-12-13		Tabanus: No doubt Robert Fischer would be happy.

Apr-12-13		HeMateMe: You could meet girls, with a name like that.

Apr-12-13		Benzol: Hi Guys, at present I'm trying to upgrade the 24th USSR Ch 1957. However, I'm slightly puzzled by the date on Aronin vs Antoshin, 1957 and the Bannik game played in the same round. My source "Korchnoi's Chess Games" has Round 1 taking place on the 21st of January whereas both these games are given as the 24th of January. Were these games postponed until the latter date for some reason or is the Korchnoi book incorrect? Anybody know?

Apr-12-13		perfidious: <Paul> The date is given as 24.1.57 here, for what it's worth: http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... This source is not perfect, but I have found it very helpful indeed.

Apr-12-13		Tabanus: William Leighton Newham - only on cg! I'm still polishing the English, but has reached my competence limit. And I find no picture of him.

Apr-12-13		Pawn and Two: <Benzol> The B.C.M. book, "24th U.S.S.R. Chess Championship", by P. H. Clarke, shows January 21, 1957, as the date for the 1st round. This book provided no indication that any of the 1st round games were postponed, nor is anything mentioned regarding any games, or adjourned positions being played on January 24th. The book does not mention when any of the adjourned games were completed. In the book, Clarke acknowledged his indebtedness to the official bulletins of the Soviet Championship, for the commentary and the games. This information will probably not resolve your question. However, if you have other questions that I can be of assistance on, please let me know.

Apr-12-13		Benzol: <Alan> Thanks, 365chess.com is indeed a useful resource but I have doubts about the accuracy in this case. <Pawn and Two> Thanks for the info about Peter Clarke's work too. Authors like him and Bernard Cafferty were usually pretty good with their info about the Soviet events they wrote about. Incidentally you wouldn't have the round dates for the 1984 Phillips & Drew GLC 1984 tournament would you? :)

Apr-13-13		Tabanus: Samuel Newham is smiling at us. Instead of writing poor English in the bio section, I guess it's better to leave just http://www.sjmann.supanet.com/Peopl... there.

Apr-13-13		Stonehenge: Christian Wingard: <Mar-12-13 Tabanus US guys, give him a call and ask for the tournament book of US Open 1954? :)> Apr-12-13 <jwingard>: Why are you looking for my father, Christian Wingard? Believe it or not, I just put my hands on the 1954 tournament book; it was dusty!

Apr-13-13		Pawn and Two: <Benzol> Unfortunately I don't have the information you need for the 1984 Phillips & Drew GLC tournament. I hope you will be able to find it.

Apr-13-13		Benzol: <Pawn and Two> As far as I know the date and round info for USSR Championship (1957) is now correct but could you just check on round 8 and round 10 please. Korchnoi's book has round 8 played on the 1st of February whereas Keres' book has it as the 31st of January. Likewise Korchnoi has round 10 as the 4th of February but Keres has it as the 3rd of February. I've gone with the Korchnoi dates for the most part. Thanks in advance. :)

Apr-13-13		Pawn and Two: <Benzol> Clark's book shows round 8 occurred on January 31st, and round 10 on February 3rd. There was a pattern to the scheduling of the rounds in the 24th U.S.S.R Championship, that remained consistent until the final round. Three games were played on consecutive days, followed by a day off. Then the next two rounds were played on consecutive days followed by two days off. This pattern remained in effect throughout the first twenty rounds. However, after round 20 on Tuesday, February 19th, there was only one day off until the 21st and final round on Thursday, February 21.

Apr-13-13		suenteus po 147: Game Collection: London 1975 An important tournament historically in the formative years of British chess. Any additional info to add to the intro would be much appreciated.

Apr-13-13		Benzol: Thanks to the efforts of <Pawn and Two> USSR Championship (1957) is now fully updated. :)

Apr-13-13		suenteus po 147: <Benzol> That's excellent work, and much thanks to <Pawn and Two> as well.

Apr-13-13		Benzol: <suenteus po 147> Peter I've nominated your London 1975 tournament for "live" status.

Apr-13-13		Phony Benoni: Game Collection: Lone Pine 1976 has been nominated.

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